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Robert Kilgore
{K:2218} 11/18/2009
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Thank you Nick. I have learned from your comments.
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 9/5/2009
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Thank you Mohammed,
I'm glad you like this one.
Andre
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Mohammed Asif
{K:35} 8/23/2009
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Love the way you compose & took the shoT!
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 4/23/2009
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I couldn't name that any better, Andre! The "Emperor's New Clothes", exactly! And I think that the "fear for hurting feelings" is the best hint for lack of maturity both from such commentators as also from photographers. Maturity would be able to differentiate between argueing about the matter or about the person. I find it so completely false to stae on the one hand that everybody should be allowed to say an opinion and at the same time to limit that to the "officially acceptable opinions" in the sence of those Emperor's New Clothes that you mentioned. So, why all that noise about "free speech" and the like if "free speech" has to remain a steady compliment for everybody? This is a contradircion by itself, isn't it?
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 4/19/2009
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I agree completely Nick.
One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of the comments on this site is that "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome. It is quite amazing how many people jump on a praise bandwagon without pointing out an obvious fault for fear of hurting someone's feelings. Or for fear of not having a positive comment back on one of their own images.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 4/13/2009
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You are only welcome, Andre.
And considering time constraints, well, same with me. There are also some really nice time constraints over my head in the last weeks... which also shows that great minds don't only think but are also constrained alike! ;-)
I think that we all should start understanding UF more and more as a forum, and as such also with all the character of a forum. It has to include good mind exchange which is much more than turning it to the place where we get our quick "bravo". Which means to me, that there is no need to always expect immediate "praise". If the time doesn't allow for a good message, then we just leave it for some other day. It would be a pity to convert this place to some kind of collection of congratulation telegrams.
And I am confident that it will evolve to the direction of real multilateral discussions that go beyond the fast "look-praise-continue". I think that more and more guys will realize by themselves that all those "gorgeous excellent 7+++++" are not sustainabe. They are like steadily listening to the same song for ever. ;-) The ceremony of tapping on each other's shoulders just has to get monotonous some day. ;-)
Good discussions need good ears and the time for thinking, avoiding the pressure to reply quickly using standard phrases. (The latter only show that one didn't really listen.) Much like nice group of guys sitting around the fireplace and don't need to talk steadily. One has to also stand still, get a bit of that scotch, mentally re-listen to what somebody else said, etc, etc. Good communication is always *slow* communication, even if our speedy times will try to suggest the opposite. In UF we should all know that we have the time. BTW, it is a methematical theorem that good communication is always slow, and so you won't expect a matgematician doing something else, ey? ;-)
So, this is what I "see", when I "see" UF evolving through the years. We will all be supporting each other less "spectacularly" and with much more substance. I would be only glad to push that a bit to this direction, if I can.
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 4/11/2009
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Hi Nick,
My time seems to be more and more limited lately, but I keep coming back to Usefilm for the few decent conversations that break out once in a while. It was nice to see my image up on the front page with your critique. I had the feeling that just maybe there are a few people on the Usefilm staff that appreciate people like you that try to keep the spirit of the site pointed in the right direction.
Thank you for all your support Nick.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 4/4/2009
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Oh, thanks for telling me, Andre! I didn't notice that when I was writing my last message to you in this thread. So... I also see my grammars now! ;-) My keyboard starts dissolving into its elements, and on most keys the letters are completely worn out. That's good quality of our days, you see. ;-)
Anyway, to tell you the truth, one of my impressions when I joined UF was that starting from a good talk about the image there would be also other interesting discussions like many I have with you. To my surprise it turned out the most of the time the "discussions" were limited to a quick exchange of congratulations for whatever one might upload, and so you can imagine how glad I am that there are at least also some few good guys like you here, who do have the real interest, the big ear to listen, the will to think and write good reasonable things... and of course the also the good keyboard to write them down! ;-)
Thanks a lot for all the good talks until now, Andre!
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 4/1/2009
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By the way Nick!
Did you notice that you got the Critique of the Day for your critique on this one? I was glad to see it because it was the start of an interesting conversation on the image.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 3/31/2009
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Exactly, Andre! The good gear of nowadays should be a help for good photography. If it makes us too "comfortable" I guess that it misses its sense and purpose.
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/26/2009
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Another reason why it is always a good habit to try and use the full frame of the image when possible. It is just too easy in these days of megapixel overdose and nice telephoto lenses to get sloppy and lazy in our in camera compositions.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 3/24/2009
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Thanks a lot for the additional info about the mistakes, Andre! Surely they are good teachers if we listen to them. Sometimes, considering cropping as an "afterward" composition, I would wish too for the resolution of that space camera on hubble or elsewhere. I read some days ago about hundreds or even thousands of megapixels on that equipment, but I don't remember exactly where and how much it was. Imagine such a camera for public... heavens! That would mean that you have a bunch of macros oneach and every shot you take. ;-)
Cheers!
Nick
P.S.: BTW, they already found a way to surpass the natural optics maximum resolution by using meta-materials with negative refraction. Exciting ages of photography are coming and I would only be glad to be allowed to witness them.
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/22/2009
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Thanks Nick,
Yes, as I wrote in my last reply to you, over sharpening can become like an addiction, until you have trouble recognizing what looks real anymore.
I still have the original images from this shoot.
I think what happened with my over sharpened attachment is that I over cropped the image to get the composition I wanted. Of course that meant my sharpening attempt became an over dose. :)
I don't mind getting a few images wrong. We learn from our mistakes. :)
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 3/22/2009
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Thanks a lot for the attachment, Andre! Well, if you still have the original then you could re-process it avoiding oversharpening, or do I miss something? Anyway, its "closedness" is exactly what I meant. It looks more limited to exactly that place, as if there would be no further world behind the woods. I am always surprised when I see how much influence such small things may have on the overall look of images. Most of the time I don't even expect that.
On another note about oversharpening, you see what I mean? You saw that it was oversharpened and your eyes reacted negative. The vast majority of people around here would name it an excellent image and give it a 7. Why? Because, as already said, that kind of forceful entering and occupation of mind by things like "sharpness" has been practised to such a point that the artifacts of pixelation are not even perceived. The eyes forgot that no piece of grass consists of rectangular pixel blocks. In such cases, when I say about pixelations due to oversharpening I will be asked most of the time where it is, and I have then to mark up example regions of the image - imagine that! A wannabe photographer that has to be shown where the pixelations are! I am so glad that at least Andre Denis and some other few good guys still use their eyes to see.
Reminds me somehow also of the always stronger additives for "taste amplification" of strawberry joghurt, of which we also talked in the past.
Last but nit least, the coloring of the attachment is very good. A pity to lose it.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/22/2009
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Hi Nick,
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. I do like the idea of cutting out the white sky from the image. I even had a couple of shots prepared like that myself. I'll attach one that I liked but didn't post due to over sharpening. I think eliminating the sky works well because it eliminates the least important element in the image.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 3/21/2009
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It has a very "trainy" mood indeed, Andre, in the sense that cargo will not only follow the well known "photogenic" routes that appeal to the typical tourost, but it will follow many routes that have a different kind of photogenity than what appears to be "nice" to the lazy eyes of the monotonous "aesthetic rules".
So, thanks to your good focus, I see the good details of the rail world as it expands to the depth between machines, vegetation, and rather "dirty" colors, if I can call them like that. There is also some kind of refraction-like effect on the edges of the objects on the image that suggests humidity just like after a heavy rain. It certainly adds much to the athmosphere. It makes it very very real.
The composition is again pretty well balanced for me. I wouldn't add or subtract anything at all.
Only a small idea about that. Do you also notice a more "closed" kind of view by cloning of the small piece of sky near the top left? (Attachment).
Cheers!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/11/2009
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Thanks Gustavo,
Glad you like it. I have a couple more to come from that day.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/11/2009
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Thanks Ray,
I'm glad you mentioned the skeletal trees in the background. That was one of my favourite things about this image. I like the way the trees blend in and match the colour of the gravel and rail road ties.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/11/2009
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Thanks Dave,
I tried all kinds of curves and angles that day.
As I wrote to someone else, the train was not moving, so that allowed me a lot of possibilities without worrying about the time factor.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/11/2009
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Thanks Mitra,
I'm glad you like it.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/11/2009
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Thanks Marcio,
I was lucky enough to get a few good shots that day.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/11/2009
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Thanks Malules,
The light was good in both directions that day. The train was stopped, so that made it easier for me to concentrate on the images without worry of missing a shot.
Andre
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Gustavo Scheverin
{K:164501} 3/9/2009
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Muy buena composición.
Felicitaciones!
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stingRay pt.4 .
{K:250395} 3/9/2009
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I love the composure of this my dear Andre with the curvature in the rails as they bend around the mustard coloured rolling stock/machinery. Neatly framed at the top by the skeletal trees that form a perfect background to the shot. Well seen and taken my good friend. My very best wishes to you as always......Ray
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 3/9/2009
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Very nicely composed, Andre! I like the way you've caught the curve of the track.
Dave.
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Mitra Nademi-Nassari
{K:28234} 3/9/2009
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Another great composition Andre!
Mitra
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Marcio Janousek
{K:32538} 3/9/2009
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Excellent Andre..good angle perspective and tones !!
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Malules Fernandez
{K:54810} 3/9/2009
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Good capture, Andre.
I like the light and the feeling of time stopped.
best regards,
Malules
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 3/8/2009
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Thanks Gyorgy,
I agree with you about trains. I went to this area a few weeks ago and decided to go back and try again. I'll post a few more over the next couple of days.
I think it's the romance of a bygone era that attracts us to trains.
Andre
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György Szönyi
{K:10011} 3/8/2009
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Nicely composed, effective picture. Trains and tracks are so photogenic! Best, Gyorgy
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