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kita mcintosh
{K:18594} 5/13/2004
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how well taken but how sad...
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Jason Wiggins
{K:405} 4/29/2004
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YUCK HUGO!! Tehran looks worse than Los Angeles. Great capture of the environmental problems plaguing the world today.
Good Job,
Jason Wiggins
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Faride Valigholizadeh
{K:496} 4/26/2004
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Hi Hugo,
This below is not pointing to anyone. It?s actually my disappointment of people who at least believe in nature of art anyhow?..
As you and of course we all have seen Hugo, your recent pictures have brought lots of discussion op. unfortunately some personally too. If we could just respect others opinions and tastes, lift would be more bearable. This is the matter of different definition of art and what we want to achieve. For some people art is just exhibition of beauty, for some other on the contrary it has to be meaningful, to have something to say. For some it?s purity of reality (doesn?t matter ugly and unpleasant or pleasant and attractive). We can not blame someone who has like or think something else that we don?t!!!
Each one of those opinions have own rates and values. That?s how we can learn from each other. There is no need to learn always from prophotionals. Or even no need to be always perfect.
By the way i don?t believe amounts of comments can prove the value of an art in this site or anywhere. There are different elements which play.
Dear Hugo, as you?ve seen my profile is still empty; the reason is lack of facilities such as: digital camera and scan. It?s my plan to buy a digital one as soon as possible.
Best regards,
Faride
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 4/24/2004
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My throat constricts as I look at this... 16m people, you say? Wow, that's more than we have in Tokyo itself, though there's over 20m in greater Tokyo... 50 years ago the UK banned coal fires and the air was clean within ten years. Japan started cleaning up the air 20 years ago and it's much better these days, though far from perfect. I wonder how long it will take Iran!
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/24/2004
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Hi Irenka, thanks for your comments, and as to the beautiful parts of Iran, I do have some in my portfolio...;o) Amaising place, and I tried to cover the extremes, from major global problems (as this one) to the beautiful architecture and ancient cities as well as the political state of the country and the aftermath of the Bam Earthquake. A uniquely overwhelming trip.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Irenka Daniluk
{K:8011} 4/24/2004
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This is a very sad image, Hugo... Grey city with no visible greenery even to fight the pollution..
As for rating - yes, photo is not beautiful, but I give it maximum rating for excellent conveying of the intended message.. Most appealing in the series, in my opinion. Regards, and show us some beautiful part of Iran as well! :-)
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Raamses Ortiz
{K:4408} 4/23/2004
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Hi Hugo,
I like how the tall buildings are surrunded by the smog while the rest of the city is not. Veru good composition and tones.
Congrats,
Be seeing you...
Raamses.
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Thanks, Gino, that reassures me....;o)!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Kees and Carolyn
{K:15193} 4/23/2004
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Great capture! It's a shame what we have done to our planet.
Carolyn
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Hi Faride, good to hear from you again. This shot was taken just before sunset. In North Tehran I found it bearable, but heading down town it was suffocating. That was Febuary. I won't even think about what it's like in summer.... Breathing was already difficult!
I noticed your portfolio is still empty, when do you plan to make an upload?
Cheers,
Hugo
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Massimo Di Maggio
{K:-53658} 4/23/2004
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Yes of course, you can use it! Btw, you have a very interesting thread here, also in this you are ?educational?!!! ;))) Cheers Max :)
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tom rumland
{K:14874} 4/23/2004
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sunset,
i really didn't want to get involved in this. and i still don't. however, you have chosen to make this conversation public. as member of the public who is implicitly being asked to read it and therefore participate, i have to say, i'm confused. i'm just a beginner and have absolutely NOTHING to teach either of you ANYTHING about photography. however, this argument doesn't appear to be about photography per se. you seem to be upset for some reason which after several messages still remains unclear. since you suggested that we are "having some honest fun but seriously", let's seriously be honest here.
what exactly is your beef? yes, since your statements are not cohesive and seem to be based on faulty logic, i have to assume it is a "beef". if i read your comments correctly, and i'm sure you will correct me if i'm wrong, i get the impression that you are upset with hugo and/or his work because:
a) you feel that a lot of good photographers here go unnoticed. you proceed to admit you are partially at fault. an odd statement as it doesn't seem to fit your as yet unclear point.
b) you also feel that there are a lot of photographers that have to strive to make their work better. you then proceed to insinuate that you and hugo have some perceived luxury because you do this for the love of photography without the burden of needing to in order to feed your family. true enough. in and of itself, this statement does not explain what the real problem is.
c) you unilaterally accuse hugo of producing work which is either invalid, or not good enough that a 3rd party may want to hang on their wall. this is pure assumption and conceitedness on your part. how would "you" possibly know what "i", or anyone else for that matter, would want to hang on their wall? i thank you sincerely for making my decisions for me. i don't know what i would do without your approval, insight and guidance. however, i will tell you that i do not hang motivational posters on my wall.
d) the previous statement is weakly supported by your statement that "[HUGO] DID NOT CREATE THE 'ATMOSPHERE' IN THIS IMAGE ... Pollution did". you also go on to position one of your wonderful (no sarcasm here, i do think they are gorgeous) images and claim that your fog is somehow better than hugo's smog??? now i'm really confused, who "created" the atmosphere in your photo? the fog? i thought so. when it comes down to it (since we're having serious but honest fun) your image is not unique "per se". what makes your image different from the thousands of versions of this beautiful bridge that we have all seen many times?? say it with me... the fog!!! so using your own "logic", you did not create the "atmosphere" in your photo... the fog did!!! ain't that something?
so taking these points i can only assume that you are upset because a lot folks go unnoticed due to lack of comments, etc. i scanned your portfolio and your ratings, comment, and view counts don't indicate you to be one of the afflicted. so why the heartburn? hugo has taken enormous amounts of his time to offer good solid constructive commentary to a huge amount of folks here (including you, even though you don't need them). because he has done this, he has built a following, which is very understandable as we are all very grateful for his help, insight, and enthusiasm. since, by your own admission, you don't comment very much, perhaps you perceive your "following" is a bit lacking or maybe not as large as you feel you deserve. at the same time you feel (strongly) that your photo's are better than hugo's and should, by the grace of god and not through any effort of your own, have higher ratings and more comments, no? this is where i would like you to clarify and/or correct me if i'm wrong.
did unloading and LOLing like this make you feel better? more importantly, did it help anyone else? i don't think so. as you undoubtedly know, art is like tv. it's subjective. if you don't like what you see, change the channel.
i'm sure this "dance" with the "mango" will cost me in the form of spiteful negative commentary and possibly even the infamous anonymous low rating on my photos. then again, i'm sure that a man of such vision and creative power, such as yourself, wouldn't stoop so low as to do that. you'd only be proving my point anyhow.
regards,
tom
PS - even though this may sound like i'm running to defend hugo, it's not about that. he's a big boy and i'm sure can take care of himself. the nature and tone of your comment offended "me" personally and i simply want to know the real reasons for your de-constructive and gratuitous negative commentary. i would want to know regardless of who it was aimed at. so far, it looks like bitterness and spite.
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Thanks for your comment and appreciation, Max! I think you described it very eloquent. Hope you don't mind if I use parts of your comment in the description of the third one?
Cheers,
Hugo
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Massimo Di Maggio
{K:-53658} 4/23/2004
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This image makes me think? The humanity from a side tries to increase the prosperity, the wealth, the conditions by life and so on, but from the other side to do so it ruins the only good we have, our mother Earth, I find a strange contradiction in this. I like the strips of colour of this image, even if they are fatal colours. You are always enlightening, as photographer and as commentator! Bye Max
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B:)liana
{K:30945} 4/23/2004
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Very obscure and insecure life dear Hugo we are dealing with. great message.
Kiss, Biliana
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Stefan Engström
{K:24473} 4/23/2004
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I think the ugliest of sights can be aestethically represented, as you have done here. The lay of the land - the slopes helps break what would be an otherwise unfortunate strong mid-image break. I have some nits about the frame, but I'll let that rest :-)
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Saeed Al Shamsi
{K:47735} 4/23/2004
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Ok ,this one i preferd a lot,to the smog layer here add artistic effect on this image,the way you shot,is great value,from lo-vertical building to the background "sky scrapers",even the amount of light had gradualy effect too,I like it,Saeed
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Carlheinz Bayer
{K:14220} 4/23/2004
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That really scares me! Great documentary shoot, Hugo. Regards! Carlheinz
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WALT MESK
{K:10691} 4/23/2004
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another drammatic image!walt.
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Hi Maria, a promise is a promise. Thanks for your comment!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Maria Luisa Vial
{K:36017} 4/23/2004
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Hi Hugo,
Great picture!!!
You keep reminding me of the Mexico City I lived in 13 years ago... I remember that most of the time you could not see the sorrundings and when you got there by plane the only thing you could se was the brownish fog... Thanks god the govenment took serious meassures, and now it's almost clear. Last week that I was there you could see all the city and it's sorroundings from the high place... I hope in Tehran and other cities the government will take meassures too... The pollutions is killing people all around the world....
This pollution problem, I think exists in all big cities, and most of all in cities hidden within valleys...
Great reporting job (Taken from your words)... Seeing this picture, we have to thinks that we are killing ourselves, and if we do not act we will perish to our own accord...
Thanks for reminding us this...
Your friend,
Maria
P.S. Thanks for dedicating the picture to me... You brighten up my day... :)
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Neil Dolman
{K:26883} 4/23/2004
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Hi Hugo, despite all the critiscism this image has received or is creating, i'm happy with it and i'm also happy to rate it. I think it helps to become aware of the problems that other people have in their corner of the world. We can then maybe appreciate why they react in a certain way. Your photo has documented a part of this. Thanks for sharing. Best wishes, Neil
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zcv fd
{K:566} 4/23/2004
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It's a good image with a "nice" light (I know, I know, it's the smog) which also illustrates the issue. Good job
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神 風
{K:10665} 4/23/2004
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You better not 'Tango' with the 'Mango' as we say here in Hawaii or I might 'Copy & Paste' your email to me here ... LOL! Now aren't we having some honest fun but seriously?
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Hi Sunset,
This is evolving into a rather interesting conversation / exchange of arguments. That is, at least the way I perceive it.
I'll continue in an email, you've asked me alot of questions,
Cheers,
Hugo
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Jani Salvataggio
{K:27283} 4/23/2004
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great capture!!! very beautiful!
regards
Jani
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Faride Valigholizadeh
{K:496} 4/23/2004
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Yes Hugo! You?ve got another shamming photo to men kind and of course nature?..
?The light forever is morning light?. It is so frustrating and sad that even morning begins fogy and dirty there (I don?t mean in this picture, because i?m not sure if this has been taken at morning!), and there is nothing that any individual can do.
Best regards,
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神 風
{K:10665} 4/23/2004
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P.S. I do greatly thank you indeed for commenting on my "Golden Gate Bridge" image and I really hope you liked the 'Fog' instead of the 'Smog' as compared to yours ... LOL!
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神 風
{K:10665} 4/23/2004
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Dear Hugo,
There are literally hundreds of photographers on this site trying their best to bring beauty into the world through their work and we all are aware of the ugliness which coexists at the same time, but yet their photography on this site is going un-noticed and passes into oblivion with nearly none and/or any comments at all which I am also at fault for ... Yes/No?
While your tryptichs are constructed with great forethought and planning they are indeed technically NOT tryptichs such as in a 'Three-Panel' of images nor does any one of them can really stand on their own as a piece of enduring work that the General Public would purchase and hang on their wall(s) to beautify their residence(s) or office(s) to bring them peace ... Yes/No?
I also believe the majority of Photographers, (amateur or otherwise), are constantly striving to mainly improve their skills to be independantly and artistically successful because they are tired of working for others as you and I probably don't have to and have been fortunate enough to reach early retirement semi or otherwise ... Correct?
Furthermore, ... YOU DID NOT CREATE THE 'ATMOSPHERE' IN THIS IMAGE ... Pollution did ... and the next time you use someone's name in dialgue to another I think you should speak it in the universally accepted language and/or provide a translation as to curb possible rudeness ... Yes/No?
There is NOTHING you have to learn from me that you can not teach yourself photographically or morally as I have and I don't think you have to send me that email now that you have been wanting to and have asked me to be patient for, because I think I have beat you to it ... Right?
Best of Regards because you are a Fine Gentleman indeed who has critiqued himself into absolute unreproachable fame!
~ SUNSET MAN ~
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Dag Rob, dat ben ik helemaal met je eens. Het is verre van fraai. Ik heb een en ander proberen uit te leggen als een antwoord op Douglas.
Groeten,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Hi Douglas,
Thanks for your comment, I agree with that this photo is not aesthetical pleasing, and I didn't inted it to be.
I think this message, although a grim one, is one that needs to be told. It also does capture the atmosphere in an unbiased way, which is not necessarily "beautiful". Still, it is reality.
Furthermore, I think the image is photographically sound, considering the message and atmosphere I tried to capture.
I do respect your opinion, and it comes down to the subjective element of photography. As the message is an ugly one, so is the photo, but that doesn't mean it isn't good. If you don't like this photo from a photographical point of view, I'd like to know why, so I can learn...!
As to turning off the rating.... Well, I'm not sure. I agree a photo that captures human tragedy or uses a persons misfortune for personal gain cannot / should not be rated. In this case, it is a non-personal, but not less confronting image, that we all are responsible for. I value your oppinion not to rate this image, but I would like to give otheres the opportunity to rate this one.
Cheers,
Hugo
PS, I have already commented on your last upload... You can always count on that...;o)
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Rob Ernsting
{K:8899} 4/23/2004
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Natuurgetrouw ongetwijfeld, Hugo. Maar fraai is het niet. Kun je nagaan dat onze inspanningen in Nederland met 16 miljoen niets uithalen als Teheran dat alleen al in een keer teniet doet.
Groetjes Rob.
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神 風
{K:10665} 4/23/2004
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Dear Hugo,
When you and everyone else stops coughing, choking, sneezing, and wiping the tears from yours because of the effect of this image of yours, ... then maybe some of you will take a look at my last upload.
Best of Regards!
P.S. I didn't rate it as NO one else should either, but if I did it would probably only be a '3' at the most because you yourself must admit also that it is NOT very aesthetically pleasing at all ... Yes/No? So, ... I would have turned off the ratings once again especially on this series ... Right?
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 4/23/2004
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Dag Teunis, de kleur van de lucht in de foto is "natuurgetrouw", er is niets aanveranderd. Zo zag het eruit! Ongelofelijk, he?
Groeten,
Hugo
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Roberto Arcari Farinetti
{K:209486} 4/23/2004
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hello Hugo
also this one is fantastic.. the smog effect are strong.. the hot atmosphere is a mirror for the nearly mirages.
also the cuts horizontal, a different from the yesterday photo, with a completely empty background, very strongly increase the effect the city of desert!
fantastica also the "close-up"
cheers
roby
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Teunis Haveman
{K:53426} 4/23/2004
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Hugo, wat weer een smog
Wat de foto wil zeggen is genoeg
Veel luchtvervuiling.
Maar de lucht van deze foto is ook iets vervuild
Ik vind het altijd lastig de luchten of ze nu geel zijn of blauw , vooral als het licht buiten niet te helder is.
Groet teunis
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