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Photographer Nick Karagiaouroglou  Nick Karagiaouroglou {Karma:127263}
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Film Format 24x36
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Uploaded 4/25/2008 Film / Memory Type Kodak  Royal Supra
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About I find thos one would perfectly fit a cover of some LP of TRB. Strong message from the activist's front. I hope I managed to reproduce it adequately. Any comments would be very welcome.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 5/22/2008
Oh, me stupid person! Thanks a lot for telling me Gustavo! Sometimes my mind simply sticks!

Cheers!

Nick

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Gustavo Scheverin Gustavo Scheverin   {K:164501} 5/18/2008
Las dos canciones de León Gieco cuyas letras te incluí en las fotos...

Un abrazo!

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 5/17/2008
Which songs do you mean exactly, Gustavo? Any specific one?

Cheers!

Nick

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Gustavo Scheverin Gustavo Scheverin   {K:164501} 5/7/2008
Sí me imaginé que la traducción no iba a ser fácil, pero me alegra que la idea general te llegue.

Si te hicieras de un gmail con suficiente espacio en el mailbox, te podría enviar las canciones, son muy lindas,

Un abrazo!

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 5/1/2008
Corruption is a human invention as a meaning. In the kingdom of animals (other than humans) it is named "maximizing the *own* chances to be by using each and every available way". And animals can also be frustrated but their frustration is not as complicated - they don't have "doubts" about the own existence. But we, humans, in order to emerge from the exclusively natural bondage (some kind of Eden ;-)) have to go through all that.

On the one side the mysterious apparatus in our heads gave birth to concepts of ethic, philosophy, pictures of the world, pictures of the "I", etc. That apparatus went unexpectedly to a very different direction than what "mother nature" made it for. (So nature contradicted itself by bringing us into existence! It's not as perfect as the naive would say.)

On the other side, we still are affected by what nature implanted us. In nature it is quite normal to use the own advantages the most "terribly egoistic" way. It's not that kind of "eternal peace" that somebody thinks of, when sitting in the garden. There exists the concept of "corruption" in nature, but we seem to be ready to accept that as "natural life". And some remainders of that are still in us.

So the conflict! I like conflicts!!! They are one of the strongest roots of thinking, which nature didn't really intended, but with which we can emerge from that primitive stage of being slaves to "natural rules" that we doubt. But we are on the way. We are not completely born as a species yet.

I imagined a humanless earth many times, Visar. Perhaps I get a different point of you about that. For me it was a dull place of... eat, s**t, sleep, replicate... not much more. Garden Eden for the dumb, but hell for cognition. That's why we left! ;-)

So, there will be wrath, fear, corruption, etc, etc. The remainders of "nature" in us, you see. It takes thousands of years to eliminate them, and during this time we'll be doing much evil, but we at least did take a step ahead to develop systems that allow such predicates, like good, bad, and so on. Such systems do not exist in nature. They are like milestones on our way from the Cro Magnon in his "beautiful nature" to the Homo.. "Overnaturis" ;-)

Then we will say: I am human! I am better than nature!

But it takes time. Until then, let's smoke a pipe and have a scotch!

Cheers!

Nick

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/30/2008
I didn't understood each and every word of the translation, Gustavo, because of the usual difficulties of translation. But I did understand the general statement.

Thanks a bunch for making me aware of that song and of Leon Gieco!

Cheers!

Nick

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absynthius . absynthius .   {K:20748} 4/30/2008
wrath you say!! yes, that and we are the most frustrated animals mother earth has ever produced- and the most corrupted too!
just imagine a humanless earth!!

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/29/2008
Oh yes, Visar, they have a bad reputation because (as so often) many too many of the representants of the movement mistook it for a place where they can apply their pure destruction mania just for fun. That happened also with anarchism, and many other movements. A very bad thing since it gives public the possibility to generate a quick and dirty "opinion" by extrapolating the behavior of the individuals to the ideals of the movement itself - which is always dangerous.

Thanks heavens those particular guys who wrote this, did also care for a more thorough understanding of the movement itself.

As a general question, one could ask how it comes that any movement that starts so well runs the danger to be extremely distorted and reduced to some kind of pure destruction mania. And I am asking for rather profane reasons. Could it be that there is too much wrath? And if so, could it be that it comes from being simply completelely frustrated because the *being* itself has been modified to conforming regulations that somebody else decides for you?

Thanks a lot for the insightful input!

Nick

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Gustavo Scheverin Gustavo Scheverin   {K:164501} 4/29/2008
Bien, gracias a la fotografía, y mejor, "a la memoria", podemos preservar el mensaje de las ideas.

Te dejo esta bella canción de Leon Gieco, poeta y músico argentino, un defensor de los derechos humanos, y como vos dirías, todo un activista, me elegraría que la puedas entender:

"Larga muchacho tu voz joven
como larga la luz el sol
que aunque tenga que estrellarse
contra un paredón
que aunque tenga que estrellarse
se dividirá en dos.

Suelta muchacho tus pensamientos
como anda suelto el viento
sos la esperanza y la voz que vendrá
a florecer en la nueva tierra.

Hombres de hierro que no escuchan la voz
hombres de hierro que no escuchan el grito
hombres de hierro que no escuchan el llanto.
Gente que avanza se puede matar
pero los pensamientos quedarán.

Puntas agudas ensucian el cielo
como la sangre en la tierra
dile a esos hombres que traten de usar
a cambio de las armas su cabeza.

Hombres de hierro que no escuchan la voz
hombres de hierro que no escuchan el grito
hombres de hierro que no escuchan el llanto.
Gente que avanza se puede matar
pero los pensamientos quedarán."

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Nick Karagiaouroglou Nick Karagiaouroglou   {K:127263} 4/28/2008
Thanks a lot for the nice detailed comment, Gustavo. I can only hope that the shock wave look and feel was also preserved here.

Cheers!

Nick

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absynthius . absynthius .   {K:20748} 4/28/2008
i find the message accessable, in the sense that it is readable- all due to the fine composition which has brought up the details of it.

regarding the slogan itself, i am on the same side with the skinheads only when it comes to the facism. otherwise, they did have (and i guess still have) bad reputation throughout. they could chip one's bones and not care much about it, which i utterly reject.

cheers,
v.

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Gustavo Scheverin Gustavo Scheverin   {K:164501} 4/28/2008
Aquí el encuadre es perfecto, muy bueno el enfoque lo que produce buenos detalles, los colores son muy buenos también, en suma, excelente desde la técnica. Las consignas son fuerte y emotivas eso le agrega interés.

Bravo!

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