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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/22/2007
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Yes, exactly, Andre! That was what I meant saying that they pop out of the image. Perhaps because the reflected light of the near subject returns with a much greater intensity than from the objects lying more deep in the distance? I think that might be.
I remember some few shots that I once made using a flash and I had much the same feeling about the "pop out" of the near objects.
As about afternoons light, well, here we have another match. I also find the long shadows of the light coming more from the side than from upwards much better. They supply tension and they also helped to enhance the plasticity of the subject. The same happens also early in the morning, but then my problem is that early in the morning I need a crane to get me off the bed. ;-) Still the afternoon has a bit more melancholical touch, I have the impression.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/20/2007
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My choice is late afternoon, when the shadows are very long. I really like that kind of light.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/20/2007
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Hi Nick,
Yes, I agree with you about the attached file. This one might have had the flash set at auto. I think the third one in the series was adjusted manually after I saw the results of this one. Interesting how the flash makes the flowers stand out from the background, almost like they don't belong.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/18/2007
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Muchas gracias por el comentario bonito, Oscar!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/18/2007
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Yes, that's the best of the series considering lighting and color, Andre! And I thank you very much for explaining the trick to me. It will be of great use to me!
I find it especially interesting because it is again the low intensity of the light and also the low angle of it that makes it work. I have observed sometimes how much nicer the golden woods look in autumn when the sun stands low. Perhaps there is a connection considering intensity/angle between this and your method?
Cheers,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/18/2007
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I find this one much better than the first one considering colors, Andre! They look much richer to me now. The focus is a bit softer indeed, but the colors are very good.
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/18/2007
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Hi Andre!
Nice to hear from you again. I've been also too busy in the last days, but it gets back to normal again now.
The florals that we see often for example on postcards are pretty much "enhanced" using all kinds of flashed, sprays, color filters and other things. I have watched a hotographer doing such work and I was surprised to see that she needed more such utensils than cameras and lenses. 500g of weight for camera/lens and about 10Kg of other things ;-)
Thank you also very much for the attached images. This one looks "selectively washed out" on the tulips to me. As if their color would have been exclusively overburned. But they pop right out of the image very prominently! Wasn't the flashlight a bit too much in this case?
Going to the other images now, but already now many many thanks!
Nick
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Oscar E. Flores H.
{K:7850} 11/16/2007
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Bella foto. Cumplida EN TODOS LOS ASPECTOS TÉCNICOS. FELICITACIONES
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/15/2007
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And finally,
This one is taken with a low setting on the fill-in flash taken in the same direction as the low sun. I thought this would work to take the shadow out of the centre of the flower. I was pleasantly surprised that this one looked so natural right out of the camera. I think the trick is to keep the flash very low so that it doesn't blow out the detail in the image.
Hope this is of some help or use.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/15/2007
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Here is another example.
This time without the flash and only some backlight from the low angle sun.
More natural looking this time, I think.
The focus may be soft in this one.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/15/2007
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Hi Nick,
I haven't been around for a while. So, I finally getting around to commenting back on this one today.
I think people who specialize in doing fancy florals must have all kinds of tricks with lighting that they use to enhance the image. I'm sure that would include flashes and lighting from all angles possible. :)
I'm going to attach a couple of samples that I took a few years ago when I was trying to find out what my new digital camera could do. This first one is an attempt at the low sun coming into the tulips from behind (a bit of backlight) But, also a fill-in flash from the front. This is completely automatic and right out of the camera with no photoshop enhancements. I think the flash gives it a bit of an unnatural look in this case.
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The composition was not important for me in this case.
I will send another couple of samples too.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/12/2007
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Hi Andre!
I am also not a big friend of flash (in the best case) since it so often alters the atmosphere of lower light, but I find very interesting what you say about the possibilities of a backlit image. I really have to buy a flashlight and try such things out.
Looking forward to see that image if you can find it, but no hurry. Just take your time.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/10/2007
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Hi Nick,
I very rarely use a flash, but sometimes the "fill-in" feature comes in very handy under backlit situations. The results can be quite attractive.
The image I was talking about that I took of some tulips was one where I got down low to the flower, similar to this shot, except that the low, late afternoon sun was directly behind the largest flower. I'll see if I can find the image and attach it here later.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/9/2007
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Hi Andre, and thank you so much for the detailed comment, and even more for all the hints and suggestions!
I see what you mean, and I also think that some closer look on the scene, and so especially on the in-focused one would bring very much. Could that possibly maintain the relative optical sizes of the tulips - here I have a question. I'll have to try that out and see if the object in focus stays in approximately the same dimensions.
I don't have much experience working with a flash and so I can be only grateful that you tell me some things more about that. Especially the possibility of back lit capture and translucent petals sounds intriguing. Do you think that it could also work, to just put the flash behind one petal, or would that be already too strong a light? But on the other hand, why not? If it is strong then let it be strong.
I just start (at last!) getting new ideas about the photo of a flower thanks to your suggestions!
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/9/2007
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Hi Nick,
I think this is a pretty good attempt at the classic floral.
You have nice light, with a strong, dark background. The DOF seems about right. As far as something missing? I'm not sure. Maybe the in-focused flower could be a bit closer, or bigger in the image. Other than that, it seems fine.
I remember getting some pretty good results shooting tulips with a fill-in flash set on a low setting. It seemed to create some nice separation of the flower to the background. But the flash can make the image look unnatural too. Another idea with tulips and other large petaled flowers is to try and get them back lit. That can give some great results, making the flower seem transluscent.
Having said all that, this image is still fine the way it is.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/8/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Claudia!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/8/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice detailed comment, Serkan, and especially for mentioning that £&%*-top of the red tulip on the bottom right! I didn't even noticed until you said, but it *is* indeed something to get rid off. Instead of cropping, however, I cloned it away since else the tulip at the bottom right would be cropped too strongly. The image got really better without that red thing - thanks again!
As about comments here, I also have the impression that too much "protecting each other" goes on, but it is even better this way to sieve the comments of people that are really interested. Like for example yours.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/8/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Dino!
Oh well, not so "everything perfect", though. ;-)
Cheers,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/8/2007
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Thank you very much for the nice comment again, Dave!
I had my doubts about the DoF here, but since Gustavo said the same too about the DoF, I guess now that it can be also a good thing to reduce focus on one object and have things in front and behind it out of focus - i.e. to reduce DoF not on the foreground or the background but right in the midground.
All the best,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/8/2007
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Muchas gracias por la agradable y comentarios detallados, Gustavo, y por supuesto por su muy generosa de estrellas!
El DoF mí fue un poco desconcertante, pero ahora veo que le ha resultado OK, que tiene algunas de mis dudas de distancia.
Gracias de nuevo y todo lo mejor.
Nick
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Claudia Perilli
{K:31090} 11/7/2007
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Beautiful light, excellent colors. Very nice frame!!
Claudia
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Serkan Müslüm Tugcu
{K:858} 11/7/2007
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wonderful picture, i think the composition is perfect. maybe the little red area on the right bottom side could be cut off. but no big deal. perfect again.
regards.
thanks for your second coment. personal choices, people don't like it i think. no problem.
i perefer just one coment as yours rather than fifty coments. thanks again.
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Dino Correia
{K:1980} 11/7/2007
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Wonderful shot. great colors and everything perfect
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 11/7/2007
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Nicely composed, and I like your selective focus on the one tulip, Nick!
Dave.
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Gustavo Scheverin
{K:164501} 11/7/2007
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Espectacular, una foto impecable desde lo técnico (enfoque, DOF, colores) y que captura espléndidamente la belleza de esos tulipanes.
Bravo! 7/7
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