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Srna Stankovic
{K:172232} 4/1/2007
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Thankssssssssssssssssss :)
And thanks for ;)
Buy :)
I am just passing ... cleaning my house ... grrrr ... that is not nice at all :( !!!
See you !!! :)
Srna
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Srna Stankovic
{K:172232} 4/1/2007
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Doyle, what does mean NIVE ?!
Thanks
Hugs
Srna
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Thanks Bobot . . . you totally NAILED it . . . I have said before and I will say again . . . I need to learn EVERYTHING about the structural and industrail shots . . . give me Nature anyday!! Thanks so very much for the support my friend!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Thanks Onie. I'm humbled that you would 'follow' my work. Much appreciated!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Jan Hoffman
{K:39467} 4/1/2007
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I hope you did not fall asleep reading it.
I sure did, writing it. :) :) :)
--Regards, Mr. Long Wind
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Thanks John . . .
Here, I'm on a staircase ascending to the communterr platform . . . No way to back up. Out there is tunnel construction . . . 20 foot drop . . . off limits. Dusk would be easier but also would defeat the purpose which was to challenge myself. Motion capture . . . Yep . . . could be done and drama added by night shot with lights added . . . :) . . . different shot though.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Thanks Jan . . . I know I yook a lot of your time here but you KNOW I appreciate it!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Thanks very much Ace, my brother!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Great idea Sue . . . really. I've done it before, almost like HDR . . . but can likely due it with one shot since this is RAW.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Nive . . . uhhhh . . . I meant nice! (heh heh)
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 4/1/2007
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Srna, you always manage to say nive things . . . Thanks!
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~~
;)
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1301307 60
{K:44058} 4/1/2007
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nothing wrong with this photo, I guess you are just not very comfortable with non natural things.., I still remember the ligther flame you posted before... : ) I like the composition, the diagonal line, I didn't think it was a train not until I read your about, I thought it was the tubes in the refinery... interesting shot Doyle!
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Leonie Fitzpatrick
{K:40551} 3/31/2007
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Doyle...:))) The new D200 getting into the swing of things... Like AJ, from the visual itself, without reading the about, thought it was a crude pipeline mainly because of the *tightness* Doyle...:) Then I read, so now I know ~~GRIN~~...
I understand what Jan means about the *Drama*, mainly because my husband would take *working* reference shots, *bells & whistles* shots (lol camera with bells & whistles needed for these) and *aesthetic* shots with his employ... Plus, living on site (four different locations) as we have done over the past 26 yrs, have seen major construction works, so am following with great interest...:)
Love the idea of this Doyle...:)
Onie...
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Srna Stankovic
{K:172232} 3/31/2007
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I know Doyle that there you have friends who would share their experience and knowledge and informations much better than me for this shot and your nicon D200 :)))))
Good luck my Friend !!!
Hug
Srna
Nice light, tones and .... ha ha ... excellent shot, I just feel it :) ...
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AJ Miller
{K:49168} 3/31/2007
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I also like this type of environment...
Some of the more obvious observations have already been made. You ask Jan how he would add dramatic impact. Let me have a go at that one.
What I find appealing in this image is that the train (a strong diagonal element in the image) appears as though it is inside. In fact, the apparent lack of movement made me think it was a pipe or storage tanks at first glance. So, how about capturing a sense of movement? Yes, but then the outside world would become even more burnt out. Don't know what's behind you and whether a shot from the other side would be possible. Perhaps better could be a shot at dusk, with some ambient light remaining outside but with some interesting artificial lighting inside.
AJ
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Jan Hoffman
{K:39467} 3/31/2007
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Doyle -- Sorry about the "windows" reference; I have been travelling this week and I am tired and not thinking/writing clearly. I meant the open space and the tank platform is a reference to the foreground and very dark catwalk and pump cap on the top of the black tanker.
Wonder about the black and white and reason for tank color selection; maybe selected for counterbalance of thermal effect. Must look that up.
OK-- on to dramatic. Not sure how to respond on that because like the old "saw": I will know it when I see it.
I used to do industrial commercial photography back in the 60's and 70's but never as "art"; in other words never on spec, always by commission or contract and always directed by the customer. Almost always directed at an ad space in a trade organ or for some similar purpose. I would always take these with a 4x5, generally a Linhof Super Technika or a Crown Graphic. I only mention this because the customer's idea was: no distortion; a wide range of tone; exceptional detail; and must be slick. But today's standards are much different even if the end purpose is to enhance the image of the company or the product.
My idea of dramatic is exquisite detail (think HDR-like quality); vast tonal ranges; extreme depth and in cases like yards and sites, a sense of vast space. Add to that gauges, gleaming fittings, dramatic lighting, etc.
Here is my final thought (took a long time getting to it): industrial and architectural photography for commercial purposes (my orientation) is NOT the same as fine art photography of the same subjects for the goal of achieving fine imagery. So your objective to take a picture of tankers is not with a customer in mind, I assume, but rather to please the eye and the mind with a powerful image. This is where "drama" comes in to play with industrial and architectural subjects.
OK... I am toddling off to bed as I am trying to get back into the "honey I'm home" groove.
--Regards, Jan
PS: I will read this in the morning and wonder who really wrote it! :)
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Ace Star
{K:21040} 3/31/2007
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nice shot brother! good to see you with D200 :)
nice tones and detial
excellent work
good luck
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Quix Photography
{K:20204} 3/31/2007
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Nice shot Doyle... yes... a tad on the bright side outside (have you thought about taking two shots here... one to consider the interior & one for the external light... different settings to compensate the different lighting conditions then layer them in photoshop? Or would that be defeating the object of this exercise?)
Think, if possible, this would have more impact if you could see the full length of the train, rather than from the side (though would hate you to put yourself in any danger to get that perspective! lol :)
Anyway... you've made a good shot out of bad conditions here :) & I do love the detail on the black tanker x
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 3/31/2007
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Thanks VERY much Jan. There are no windows . . . I assume you are referring to the BG which I KNEW would be gone . . . though I was pleased that some detail remained. This is all open space. It is, of course, in RAW. When you refer to the tank platform, did you mean the Black car? You'll note I waited to get BOTH a black AND a white tanker . . . just a little more challenge.
Photoshop is an alternative . . . but for now . . . I want to get to know "Nikky"!! 
By the way . . . how would you add a dramatic impact? I ask because this stuff is VERY new to me . . . I just don't shoot architectural or Industrial yet . . . and need to learn.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Jan Hoffman
{K:39467} 3/31/2007
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Doyle -- Actually I am partial to industrial photography; some of Joggie's recent pix are top notch examples. This is good and I am not sure why you expect severe critiques (although there are better eyes on USEFILM for that sort of thing). Not that many years ago this type of photo would best be served by medium and large format cameras. Newer technology and certainly the wonderful Nikon optics make this shot pretty darn good. Detail, range of light and dark, as well as depth of field: all within more than acceptable parameters.
Some of the detail on the tank platform is lost and the view out the window is obviously at the other extreme and too hot.
Now how much time would you want to spend dodging and burning to bring them a little closer?
If this was taken in RAW you probably do have more detail that can be shown in the now hidden areas.
Pretty good but not an inspiring photo. As you know the best industrial photo work usually has a touch of the dramatic and this does not. But I think you are proving the point that the D200 is up to just about any task.
--Best to you, Jan
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