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jude .
{K:14625} 9/17/2006
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Striking image, Hugo...it speaks volumes. Beautifully conceived and captured.
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Marian Man
{K:80636} 9/5/2006
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solitude is the word!!!!!!
great capture dear Hugo!!!!!!! I like it in color and as for the light....there is always light at the end of the tunnel...is hope!!!!!!!!!
favorite!!!
all the best
Marian
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Vandy Neculae
{K:7990} 8/30/2006
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Nice composition.
Best regards, Vandy
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Jose Ignacio (Nacho) Garcia Barcia
{K:96391} 8/30/2006
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marvelous tones. amazing compsoition. great documentatry. magnificent. cong. 7
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Linda Imagefree
{K:72276} 8/30/2006
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Hugo I'm sorry to be so long responding back to you. I had a family emergency...and thank you for your very detailed response. Duh, I'm such a dope...LOL...I couldn't imagine hand-holding for 20 seconds. No need for me to post my version, because it's very very close to what you did here...I agree with you about the blue, very good idea for the mood, and well carried out. I really like your creativity and this image...:)
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NN
{K:26787} 8/29/2006
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Hi Hugo! I´ve read this thread with great interest. Of all the alternatives given here I prefer the version you presented for Manu. Creative stuff, well done! Hope I never have to experience urban solitude ... :)
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/28/2006
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Hi Sal, yeah I know...:) Elegant would be too much - nobody has ever called me elegant...heheheheh - Thanks!
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Salvatore Rossignolo
{K:13559} 8/28/2006
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Hi Hugo, ugly....just a little joke! I think elegant might be more apropoe;)
Sal
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Orazio Minnella
{K:49417} 8/28/2006
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Beautiful scene and great capture.Nice composition with great colours.Well done.My compliments.
Regards....Orazio
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 8/28/2006
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Well, Hugo, I would say your "about" is not exactly explicit. I felt as if I was reading between the lines. But of course not everyone reads "abouts" even when they are as careful and detailed as yours.
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Massimo Di Maggio
{K:-53658} 8/27/2006
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It’s a self??? He seems to be so young!!! LOL Bravo, I could not stay still for 30 sec :) I like more the attached version, the darkness increases the mood of the photo, still thinking it would be great in BW, but I respect your intention and I appreciate the image as you composed it. Bye, Max
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Joggie van Staden
{K:41700} 8/27/2006
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Hi Hugo - you're welcome, I was just joking! I did not go through the comments but I'm glad we came to the same conclusion! Regards.
Joggie
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Joggie - my appologies for that cruel challenge on a Sunday evening... Won't happen again, I promise...:)
Thanks for the feedback - that's what excactly what I just did with the original photo after going through the comments I received. I appreciate it!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Gerhard Hoogterp
{K:4863} 8/27/2006
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Hi Hugo,
While this photo is better in that it's darker and has more contrast, my main problem with the photo was that it didn't show what you described in the text: A dark and gloomy nightly shot. The light in the bottom left gave me more the idea of our second dutch heat-wave, middle of the day..
But this photo is definitely better than the original. The shadows also have a lot less noise which is always good.
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Joggie van Staden
{K:41700} 8/27/2006
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Hi Hugo - you make me think on a Sunday evening! When I commented on your photo I tried to look at the whole and at the symbolism rather than at the details - enough others commenting on the technical! That said - yes I agree on a slight increase in contrast but then only in the darkest tonal areas, I will leave the rest as is (PS: adjustment, levels and then the left slider slightly to the right). The rest of the colours are great with lovely warm and cold hues in different areas, alternating into the distance. Regards.
Joggie
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Roberto Arcari Farinetti
{K:209486} 8/27/2006
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oh.. sure.. so different.. take crae my friend!
roby
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Roby - thanks for telling me - guess you're right, and I really enjoy to learn the different opinions, that's what so great about photography: It's subjective!
Cheers, and take care!
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Joggie,
You're too kind... Don't you think it should've been just a tad more constrasty / darker to emphasise the drama?
Cheers,
hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Petal,
To be frank, I was more afraid of my camera and tripod being nicked by someone than of me getting beat up...:) Thanks for the comment!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Manu,
Yes it does make sense, and I fully agree - it's over processed... Per attached a version as I intended it to be - more or less, it's a quick and dirty rework of the shot I posted. Thanks - great feedback.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Roger, Spot on - that's exactly how I did it.... the photo should've been a tad darker to emphasise the drama, but you summed it up (almost) perfectly. I fired the flash downwards, parallel to the leg I'm standing on; the sharp line is my shadow.
Is there any room for another interpretation in my about? Just curious if I phrased it clearly enough, there seems to be some misinterpretation by some others...
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Saeed,
Thanks for your elaborate thoughts.
Let me ask you a quesition in reply: Don't you think that the mere fact of the unknown elements behind a photo is what makes it tick? It leaves the freedom to the viewer to imagine without barriers...
I like the thought of getting in closer, though. I'll definitely go back there and do exactly that...
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Mike,
Yeah, the photo should be much darker. See also my replies to the others. yaddy yaddy yaddy, and more of that...
Thanks
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Maxime,
thanks for your comment and the reworked version. I did consider that one, too, but I rather liked the contrast with the light (a streetlamp) near the entrance. To me it symbolises more of the positive side - an escape from the darkness of the tunnel.
In consistency, and drawing attention to the selfportait, your solution is a bit stronger, though.
I really appreciate it!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Linda,
Thanks for your elaborate comment, very much appreciated...
First, let me correct one misunderstanding... The flash burst was done hand held, during a self exposure, using tripod, of 20 seconds... The guy in the tunnel is me, and I'm holding the flash... I just wish I could hold a camera this still for 20 secs, but the thought alone flatters me...
I agree with you the image is too bright to get the drama out of the photo - there's more in the original photo, but I screwed up in the postprocessing. When I tried to revive some of the contrasts and details in my shirt to draw the attention to the solitude, I brightened the entire image, and discovered that too late. Per attached a darker version, which, IMO, does more justice to the theme.
As to the issue of colour vs. b&w, I think all versions posted by gerhard and phil have the drama I was aiming for, and are an improvement in that respect. I did go for the colour version mainly because of the different shades in the tunnel. The blue cast of the flash being one of them (and the most important one, IMO)
As to the message behind this photo - I think it's best to leave that to everyones imagination. Not because I didn't intend anything, nor because I don't want to share my thoughts, but I actually like that people make up their own thoughts without influencing them too much. I always believe that if a photo does just that, it's a "successful" photo - if not for the brightness...
As to your version, I'm really curious to see what you came up with, and please do post it, if you still have it....:)
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate your feedback!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Rashed,
thanks for your excellent feedback. I agree the lighting plays a very important role here. Not only the bright light (which is a streetlamp, not daylight) near the front, but also the flash I held in my hand, as well as the light at the end of the tunnel. Mixing a feeling of escape from the darkness - at least that's what I aimed for. I did brighten the photo too much, and made a few other mistakes during post processing.
When properly post processed, I think the photo can be quite strong, the light leading the eye from left to middle right to top left again, meeting the person in the tunnel, surrounded by grafitti. The gloominess is not only about darkness, but also about light - it's more drama than gloominess, to be precise.
I appreciate your honesty, and agree with you it's not my best photo, but to me, it's not the worst either - when processed properly, that is...:)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Gerhard,
Hope you didn't mistook my comment and change of about text as ungrateful - You're absolutely right, I messed up on the mood in trying to revive the tones in my shirt. Both yours and Phil's versions are much more powerful, although I decided against B&W because I think the differences in light temperatures add to the photo - but that's obviously subjective.
Per attached a better / more powerful version. Wonder what you think,
Thanks for opening my eyes again - it helps to keep me sharp, much appreciated!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Sal, thanks for your vote of confidence! As to me being ugly - why do you think I chose to be BEHIND the camera in most of the cases...? I know my weaknesses, my friend...;)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Max,
It's a selfportrait, taken with the self timer. I'm holding a flash in my hand, manually setting it off during the exposure.
As to the B&W version, I do believe it would boost the drama in this shot. Although that's the desired feel of this photo (as I had in mind), I deliberately left it in colour, as I liked the differences in light temperature between the tungsten lit tunnel and the flash burst. I did mess up in the postprocessing - as I tried to revive some of the contrast in myself, I also increased the overall brightness - unintentionally. The image should've looked like the attached.
I do agree B&W is a valid solution in this case too...
Thanks for your comment,
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Karina,
Thanks for the feedback. In trying to revive the tonal differences in me (it's a selfportrait), I messed up in preserving the gloominess I wanted to achieve. In that respect, all other versions (both Gerhards, as well as Phils') are considerably better.
I left it in colour, as I liked the contrast between the tungsten lit tunnel (it's the light of a street lamp, not daylight in front) and the blueish cast of the flash I'm holding in my hand. Also the colours of the grafitti add something to the image, I believe.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Paolo,
thanks for your comment - much appreciated. I like the hint at the positive feeling. Although the image is not as dramatic as I wanted it to be, the positive side, as represented by the light, was indeed part of the idea behind this shot.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Renato,
It looks too much like daytime, but it was taken around 23.30 hrs at night; the light you see is a street lamp.
I used a 20 seconds exposure. The guy in the photo is, as you know, me. I used the self timer on this one. The blue cast just behind me is the flash I held in my hand, to counter the light near the entrance / camera and in the far end, both primarily on the left. It wasn't easy to stand there motionless after having just sprinted to where I am in this photo.
Thanks for your double feedback, I found it very interesting to read the change in opinion between the first comment and the one they wrote after reading through the other comments - you weren't the only one... Great to find out how a bit more information can change the opinion!
Cheers,
hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Amna, thanks for the feedback. I prefer the colour version too, although all b&w versions have the stronger gloomy / moody feel I was going for. In trying to revive the contrast in me (it's a selfportrait), I lost too much of the darkness inside the tunnel....
Cheers,
Hugo
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/27/2006
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Hi Phil,
Thanks for your feedback. yours and Gerhards' rework made me realise the things I missed during postprocessing. Basically, I put all effort in reviving the light on me (yeah, its a selfportrait), but forgot to maintain the high contrast which basically creates the moodiness in this shot - it turned too bleak. I also lost a bit of the feel when I processed this photo using Neat Image, still have to get the hang of it.
I think the lack of "night feel" is going amiss because of the light in front - which is a from a near by street light. I liked the combination between the tungsten lit tunnel and the blueish cast by the flash in my hand, that's why I left it in colour.
looking at your versions, I think I prefer your fourth version, as the contrast in the others reduce the amount of shades and details a bit too much IMO. All four of them have, however, the moodiness I'd wanted to achieve, but I would've left it in colour. Per attached the version of how it should've looked...:/
Thanks for the insightful critique and for opening my eyes - I needed that!
Cheers,
Hugo
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Pablo Dylan
{K:63918} 8/27/2006
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Great Street!!!
Pablo
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Roberto Arcari Farinetti
{K:209486} 8/27/2006
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..yesterday i have seen this one.. but after with a little time i don't have possibility to comment..
is a nice tunnel, nicely street with murales, just a corner of street!!!
have all the best and a nice evening..my friend..
cheers
roby
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Joggie van Staden
{K:41700} 8/27/2006
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This is great Hugo! This image portrays several dimensions from seemingly contrasts. Space and depth -enhanced by the spharpness from the foreground to the back. Secondly - Warmth and coldness through the mix of the colours. Thirdly - Despair and hope from the seemingly closed background and the wide open front. Fourthly - seclusion from the world (lonely figure) and the will to express and communicate from the bold grafiti.
To me it portrays our journey through life - sometimes in light and time through darkness, sometimes alone but more often surrounded, sometimes out in the cold and then again embraced by warmth. Sometimes we feel we're in a dead end but then there's always a way out. Great work!
Joggie
Joggie
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Dubravko Grakalic
{K:25235} 8/27/2006
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very nice expression of lonelyness...great mood here!
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Petal Wijnen
{K:50989} 8/26/2006
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Great shot and (lonely/desperate) mood!! Fantastic perspective, pose and view/capture... well done!!
Goed gemaakt shot... ik zou dit niet durven, waarschijnlijk zou ik een klap of een, twee... enz krijgen... ;-D OK heb net het commentaar gelezen... en je hebt 'm op zelfontspanner gezet of door iemand anders laten maken... ;-D Zo kan ik 'm ook nemen zonder slaag... LOL!!!
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Manu
{K:13082} 8/26/2006
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Great idea and a wonderful location...trouble is its not gloomy enough! It looks a little too clinical and the figure looks a little over-worked....does this make sense? Like the overall shape to the shot.
Hyper critical today but you can take it..
Cheers for now
Manu
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Roger Williams
{K:86139} 8/26/2006
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Aha! So you set up a tripod, then held the flash in your hand and fired it AWAY from you. All very clever, Hugo... and quite effective, I must say. I couldn't see how it could possibly be a "hand held flash" photo, but now I think I've got it. Do correct me if I'm wrong...
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Saeed Al Shamsi
{K:47735} 8/26/2006
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Arts always reflect the people life, goes from daily normal life to the most sophisticated subjects, that is why the photography is part of modern arts, its easy to judge a work by seeing it but knowing the situation behind the capture its a good guide line for critiques, if the surrounding and the situation help I can see this image to be taken closer with an angle so the wall with the graffiti’s can be obvious certainly the man adds a lot to the overall capture.
I think the colour version is the best choice especially when it comes to the graffiti art composition.
Cheers.
Saeed
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Michael Kanemoto
{K:22115} 8/25/2006
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H -
Same as above, have you seen so many reworks?
B+W has a nice mood, definitely darker.
Other redundant comments. etc...
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m ,
{K:15872} 8/25/2006
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The illustration here looks like a scientific image! I agree the B&W is out of question… but regarding to my taste I would crop a bit the sunray in the frontline. Then I could give more contrast and take away bit lightness. You see the result of my experience.
Back to your picture! I adore the point of view and loneliness in the tunnel. The blue light in the middle is very attractive and meaningful concerning to my interpretation and version.
Best regards: Maxime
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Linda Imagefree
{K:72276} 8/25/2006
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Hi Hugo, I've looked at your picture several times now, and honestly I do think it has a feeling of aloneness and solitude, because number one he is alone, and 2, his posture, shoulders drooped, the curve of the back, arms down at the side, leaning against the wall, his foot up like he's not going anywhere, I get a feeling of resignation, the gaze off to one side, rather sullen, and almost kind of numb...so I get a feeling of compassion when seeing him, and also the fact that he is placed in the darker part of the tunnel which tells me he wants to be alone, he doesn't want to be seen.
Having said all of that, my first gut impression when I looked at this image was there's too much light in the tunnel. I have no problem with the color or the graffiti, in fact, why not that's reality...is a person less alone or sad because there is color...not always..the fact is, he chose a dark place, to disappear, to reflect, to mourn, or whatever. So I like the color, personally I like graffiti too...it tells us something about the people and the place. Anyway, I looked at this several times as I said, and I tried to feel what he is feeling. And I think it would be better conveyed with less light...the crop, the colors, the mood are all excellent but I think it should be darkened overall. I hope you don't mind, but I did play with this image, but I don't post other people's work without their consent. I only played with it to see if the mood felt different, I've looked and compared both of them and I do feel it should be darker.
Excellent set up and execution of this fine image, and OMG handheld for 20 SECONDS...that is incredible. the sharpness is amazing. How do you do that? :)
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Rashed Abdulla
{K:163889} 8/25/2006
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I understand that the light and shade by itself do not lead a person to a night captured photograph, but again the sort of lighting which lit the place, plays a major rules as per this regard.
The tunnel artificial lighting and the camera exposure wise settings, would create such miss guides to the viewers.
I do believe in this image time wise, when been captured, even with the feeling of that time is not present.
Still, this image is not the best Hugo has posted on UF, but I do like it for its technical aspects.
There are times where when viewing an image it is not a matter of taste, as we do not taste a piece of chocolates here, but a technical photograph, and that’s requires our opinion in technical terms .
Wish you all of the best.
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Hanggan Situmorang
{K:37833} 8/25/2006
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Excellent lighting and perspective. Very nice moment captured here, Hugo.
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Salvatore Rossignolo
{K:13559} 8/25/2006
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I just read your comment in reply to Gerhard, That's you?!.......damn your ugly! Just kidding my friend! I had to tell you, his version is way too grainy IMO.
I usually like to comment strictly on the merrits of the shot w/out reading others comments first, I think I maintain a purer comment that way! Only the best for you bud.
Sal
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Salvatore Rossignolo
{K:13559} 8/25/2006
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Excellent feel here Hugo, this image screams B&W to me though. I think it would have added to the urban decay context of the shot and lessened the impulse to look at the colorful graffiti.
On the other hand, the composition and the play of light and dark here is quite compelling and lends a classic feel to the shot. Nice work Hugo!
Sal
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Massimo Di Maggio
{K:-53658} 8/24/2006
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I like the feeling of this shto, you composed it very well, just curious if he was there or he was posing for you, anyway the mood doesn't change for this, it could change drastically if you had converted to BW, only my personal opinion though, but it could increase the sense of solitude. Bye, Max
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Karina Brys
{K:16541} 8/24/2006
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I like your version with very sparkling colours and i like Gerhard's version that is moodier. Both work, because basicly the photo is good!
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/24/2006
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Hi Gerhard,
Yeah, you're right. Done that too hastily. I'll put it back. Sorry 'bout that.
Cheers,
Hugo
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Gerhard Hoogterp
{K:4863} 8/24/2006
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I see you removed the "black" and "gloomy" references from the description.. Leaving a grafity filled tunnel, which is is and it is well done.
To bad it now seems that my reaction has nothing to do with the photo as such anymore..
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Eligiusz Langner (ennio)
{K:3006} 8/24/2006
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great shot!
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Paolo Corradini
{K:59552} 8/24/2006
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perfect panoramic image so dynamic perspective in contrast with the man alone but there's a positive feeling a great light outside :)
excellent
PAOLO
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Renato Haber
{K:7328} 8/24/2006
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Hugo,
I did not read your answer to Gerhard. WOW! You are the guy, sooooooooooo cool! Great!
At least you get off the tunnel to share the shot with us... And more over, I guess you play or have played a lot of "freeeeeeeeeeeeze" games. Stay 20, 30 seconds without any movement. WOW!
Best wishes,
Renato
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Renato Haber
{K:7328} 8/24/2006
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Hello Hugo!
I am not the photo techie here but I also cannot note the night effect. It is day!
But if we are talking about isolation, your shot is fantastic! I loved the contrast between the sun light in outside and guy inside. Loneliness, maybe a "modern life" sickness...
Photographically speaking the long exposure (it was 20 or 30 seconds?) also encreased the title and the composition you tried to create. The whole world is crumbling but we cannot see any movement from the guy. However, he keeps dreaming!
Great shot! Maybe I did a soooooooo physicol comment. :P
Best wishes,
Renato
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Amna Al Shamsi
{K:21795} 8/24/2006
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wooow! I love this capture, it gives the feeling of being lost and lonely and the colors & lighting give hope. Intersting and beautiful work
I like it in colors more than the b&w
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Phillip Minnis
{K:13131} 8/24/2006
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Hugo, I just read your reply to Gerhard - I wish I had waited a bit longer to comment and upload! :))))
Cheers
Phil
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Phillip Minnis
{K:13131} 8/24/2006
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Phillip Minnis
{K:13131} 8/24/2006
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Phillip Minnis
{K:13131} 8/24/2006
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Phillip Minnis
{K:13131} 8/24/2006
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Hi Hugo
Mate, I have a few issues with this image. You say that it's a 'gloomy tunnel' and that it was taken 'at night'. I don't get that feeling. I would never have guessed it was night.
I quite like what Gerhard has done with the image. I think the patch of light in the left-hand corner could well be taken as 'day-light'. I like the way he has cropped that out. However, in doing that, the image has lost some of its depth.
I have had a quick fiddle with the image, and come up with a few alternatives. They are submitted very humbly! As you know, I do possess have any great photographic knowledge. I'm, basically, just an amateur!
Let me know what you thing of my versions. The version I most prefer is Version 4, followed by Version 3, then Version 2, and the one I least prefer is Version 1.
Cheers
Phil
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Hugo de Wolf
{K:185110} 8/24/2006
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Hi Gerhard,
Thanks for your comment. Whilst I do see your point, I don't think a black and white photo is the way forward, as it seems a bit forced to me. the colours and effects of the differences in light temperature (flash and tungsen) are pretty important IMO.
The guy in the photo is me. I did ask my permission to pose...:)
Cheers,
Hugo
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Simone Tagliaferri
{K:28180} 8/24/2006
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Bella street.
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Gerhard Hoogterp
{K:4863} 8/24/2006
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While the idea is nice, I miss the feeling of "night" in the image. Actually it looks like the middle of the day. That said, the consequence is that I also miss the gloomy part. I think you cleaned it up to much.. B&W with the light in the left-bottom corner cropped would do.. a little noise and there you go.. (imho of course..;-)
Was the guy there or did you ask him to pose?
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Barbara Corvino
{K:4452} 8/24/2006
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A typical street picture, beautiful perspective and lightning and colours on the wall. I like the man standing at the border between light and shadow.
Ciao
Barbara
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