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Photographer Srna Stankovic  Srna Stankovic {Karma:172232}
Project #43 Unusual Vision Camera Model Samsung Digimax V3
Categories Portrait
People
Photoart
Film Format
Portfolio Lens .
Uploaded 3/16/2008 Film / Memory Type Digital
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Location City -  Belgrade
State -  SERBIA
Country - Serbia   Serbia
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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 9/14/2008
Thank you for your visit dear Kevin, truly appreciated your opinion ... this was specific situation where somebody attacked me without obvious reason, UF members noticed that and stood up against unpoliteness and rude manners ... and I am grateful on their human reaction.
We are all here for learning and giving or getting constructive comments and criticise in order to improve ourselves ... not to generate them ...
Thank you once again and I do not get you wrong at all, understand very well what you do mean.
My best always and thank you again,
Srna

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KEVIN TEMPLE   {K:8657} 9/14/2008
dont get me wrong .I have looked at all your work (which is exelant)What gets me is this (in my opinion is as bad as you would ever get and look at the views and comments it has generated.I will say again your work is great but in my opinion this just does not merrit the comments ect it has generated

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 4/12/2008
Thanks a lot Helio !
Hug,
Srna

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Helio Salmon Helio Salmon   {K:1050} 4/12/2008
This picture is so beautiful... the lips are so lovely, congratulations !!!! :)

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H L H L   {K:11377} 3/25/2008
I can understand, Srna, this is a different nature of a comments, personally have always stick to a plain structural critic, you do have a good point but in general some flip completely and distracted from the volume of you received comments, which are kind and in times have nothing to do with your presentations they’re your friends and they don't want to disappoint you.. They love you :) So my friend that I thing is triggering not only in your gallery but in many other = POPULARS, so it has been a type of a pattern that obviously anything they post its 7+++++ or what ever….it is very rare to rare to see a critic against of 50 or more positive comments, it makes others to be afraid of posting
Their opinion or suggestions! Srna, this is the other side of the coin in times painful but I know you’re fair person…honestly the most fair from any of the populars:):):):)some of your works are much better in comparison with the POPULARS!
Hugs
Harry

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/24/2008
Dear Harry, it is behind me now but do you find these comments from a same man as constructive :

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Jay R UF Usefilm.com Non Aligned Photographers {K:71} 3/16/2008
If only you knew what you were doing, maybe you would learn? I fail to see what most do, or maybe presume to see, ......???

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Damnimgood . . . Usefilm.com Non Aligned Photographers {K:1917} 3/16/2008
My oh my, how we love ourself, is it a fetish or just for the views.... I think we are now past the beginning, lets bring this to an end...please

And you do know very well my nature ... I am going further, do not worry my Saint Scorpio Character !!! :)))

Thanks a lot for your time and observations !!!

Hugs,

Srna

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H L H L   {K:11377} 3/24/2008
Common, Srna, Everyone loves you. Don’t take to in your heart...just say its ok; it’s a photographer’s community …lately I think I become A SAINT :):):):):)
Hugs,
Harry

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/24/2008
Hi my dearest Iman and thank you so very much for your constructive comment, love it and thank you on your words full of an encouragement !!! :)))
Sometimes it is not so bad to look behind, sometimes it is but I ll definitely will stay with you !!! :)))
Do love what I have to express and I do love You !!!
Warm hugs and I always miss you !!! :)
Yours,
Srna

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Iman Fouad Iman Fouad   {K:12295} 3/24/2008
Hi Srna,i like your vision and creativity here..like the crop and the colour tone..may be some crop from down will focus more one the main subject and make it more impressive..(my sweetie,its a pleasure to visit your works,you are so different and stylish artist and personality..and that what we like to share and enjoy..dont look behind and just enjoy with us )
Take care my friend
Big hugss,
Iman

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/23/2008
Hi dear Robert !!!
Thank you so very much for your so very beautiful comment and you are inspiration for me too !!!
Your words captivate me to go further and to search for more :)))
Happy Easter to you and to your beloved once my dear friend,
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/23/2008
Dear Jan,
How wonderful to find your comment !!! Hope you are doing well my dear friend and that you are at home for the Easter ... Happy Easter !!! :)))
Thank you so very much for your wonderful words and ever lasting support ... your words were always so very special, yes, you know that !!!
We do not use this expression in my country but great it is , thank YOU !!!!! :)))))
Hugs and kisses to You and to your beloved family !!!
ps: our Siamese has finally a name: MISKO !!!

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Robert Kocs Robert Kocs   {K:89085} 3/22/2008
Hi dear my friend!
So sorry my late comment for your shot, but I was very busy.
This one is well illustrate to your deep thought and your activity
here is our Earth. Love the soft tones and interesting view,
perspective is great and your idea. The warm tones and the
softness are so touching & makes me deep feel in my soul.
However this one is a very nice work by You as usual and makes
me in deep concentrate...well presented photo! Nicely done!
7+++

Have a nice day & Happy Easter dear Srna & your dear Ones!
Robert

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Jan Hoffman Jan Hoffman   {K:39467} 3/21/2008
As always, my Dear Srna, your pictures come from the heart as well as the mind. You have a special way of talking to us through your pictures. They truly express feeling as well as photo-reproduction of an image. In other words, the expression is special and wonderful. This picture is an excellent example of your "heart speak" and I love the picture.
I do not know if this expression is used in your country but it has been used here: "Love me, Love my dog".
--Best wishes, Jan

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/20/2008
Thank you so very much my dear John !!!
This is exactly what am I doing and will continue to do !!!
Warm hug,
Srna

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John Hatz John Hatz   {K:156973} 3/20/2008
oh my GOD! well I think there is perchaps a superb PRO photographer in UF and start to comment and critique the amateurs? what's going on? oh please, let the people fealling free to give what there hearts feals!!!!! :-(
the pro's goes to National Geographic...
Srna, please give what you're fealling, something that ...the most, do here... ;-)

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/20/2008
My heartfelt thank you for everything my dearest K ! :))))
Warmest hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/20/2008
Thank you so very much my beautiful Parehan ... have been through much worst and yes, these things are not to be forgotten and they given me always strength to go forward !!! :)))
And yes my Dear, we are here to do small things with a great love !!! :)))
My warmest hug,
Srna

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Doyle D. Chastain Doyle D. Chastain   {K:101119} 3/20/2008
You're always very welcome Dearest Srna! Your friends have always enjoyed you being here. Does anyone else matter? ;)

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

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parehan .K parehan .K   {K:27453} 3/20/2008
Well my dearst sweet Srna, ok I just read the back and forth comments.. Perhaps it seems very difficult to get over this but it is not impossible. i will not ask you to just put all this behind, it is such hard situations that give special people like you the strength and not put them down.
There are many ways to spread love, Interaction and compassion throughout the world, you do that with your lovely friendly great words and images. you are an amazing person that should not stop creating, just keep on doing that, because even professionals need humanitarian, kindness, and warm words.. we never excel unless we struggle, So Srna keep on doing it regardless of negative feedback and remember: We cannot do great things on this earth. We can only do small things with great love..
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

BIG WARM HUG my dearst sweet Srna,
parehan

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/20/2008
Ha, never heard of this, but I really do love it my dear Keith !!!
I will remember this !!!
Hugs and kisses ,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/20/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Fabrice ... yes, you are the ones from whom I do expect (as you know this already) constructive comments and critiques, life goes on and see you soon ... till my next post !
Or yours !
Warm hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/20/2008
Thank you so very much dear Robbie !!!
Your words means so much ... I know that my dear friend !!! So very true !!!
Till my next image !
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/20/2008
Thank you so very much my dearest Mojgan !!!
Yes, it writes so, but I ve changed it lately, what was written till 10 days before was : If you do not have eyes and heart you are lost ...
Wishing you Happy New Year !!! :)))
See you soon ! :)))
Hugs and kiss,
Srna

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Keith  Growden Keith  Growden   {K:29240} 3/20/2008
Not a problem sweet fairy lady. Water off a ducks back. Hugs and kisses. Keith

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G G G G   {K:61359} 3/20/2008
Wow.. I read only now all the exchange of these last days.. This is incredible.. Some people needs to find a release.. and your work adn you were selected this time... I don't understand why but this is life. I understand that you were schocked and stressed but such words, but you have to overcome such dirty critics.. even if one of this Mr Who has already taken you as a target.. Continue to present what you feel and what you like to do.. THis is up to us to find if we like or not.. but anyway always in constructive critics..
Take care my friend

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Robert Chin   {K:22282} 3/20/2008
I didn`t know all that was going on Srna,sorry for all the hurt caused.You gotta have belief in what you are doing
plus UF is like a 'gathering of friends'.As Shirley said some of us who leaves comment to you are very skilled photographers BUT that`s not enough without the compassion
and kindness.Some of your images are truly exceptional as I
told you before,some are in your own particular style where your 'heart' dictate what you do.
I know it will very difficult to get over this but remember 'time is a great healer'.Go over what happened,analyse it and draw strength from your friends.
Leaving UF because of this would be a shame.
Take care my friend.
Robbie

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Mojgan Bahasadri Mojgan Bahasadri   {K:16243} 3/20/2008
Hi my dearest Srna at first,
I sending you a bouquet of wishes to say......
Have a beautiful and bright Spring my dear! ;)
and then I want to say:
Darling don't forget that at the first page of your portfolio you have written this:
"It is only with the heart that one sees rightly"
OK my dear BUT some people have a DARK heart......!!!
I know you believe in what you're doing, with your eyes AND heart....so let's start the beginning:))

I looking for your GREAT shot!!;)
See you soon,
Hugs and kiss
Mojgan

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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor Shirley D. Cross-Taylor   {K:173998} 3/20/2008
You're so very welcome, my dear Srna!:)))

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank You !!!
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Really thank you so very much my dear Friend !!!
Your words means so very much and they are so very true !
Hugs and kisses,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
My special thanks for being there dear Jen xx ....
Hugs and kisses,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
My very special thanks sweet Julie for being there ... !!!
Love,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you dear Robbie !
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much dear Walter !
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you Lugal.
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Keith for being there !!! And I am so sorry you ve been attacked too :(((
Special big hug for you my dear friend !
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thanks a lot dear John !!!
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thanks my dearest Nicky for being there !!!
Warmest hugs,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thanks a lot dear Ugo !!!
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thanks a lot Mehul,
hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
My heartfelt thank you dearest Doyle for your honorable and always so honest attitude !!!
Special thanks for being there !!!
Warmest hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Once again one more special thanks for you AJ !!!
For your ever realistic attitude in everything ... comments, critiques and for being there !!!

Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Once again one special thanks for you my dear Bobot !!! That was so very polite and constructive comment my dear friend which made me to think about it and in order to improve, .... and thank you for being there for me !
Warm hugs,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Oh, my dear Parehan, nothing is sad ... this was just a story about world of computers and nothing is sad my dear ... I do not believe in sad endings, much more prefer never ending stories ! :))))
And this one is just blurry ... not sad ! :)))
Life goes on my beautiful friend ! :)))

Warmest hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thanks a lot dear Jacques ... just one more proof we here in a hug and kisses club do give suggestions and constructive critiques ! :)))
take care you too, hug
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
One special heartfelt and warmest thank you for your outstanding reaction my beloved Michele !!! :)))
Loveeeee,
From a hug and kisses club ;) lol
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my Angel !!! :)
Love,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you one more time dear Gust@vo !
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thanks a lot dear Diego !
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dearest Mojgan !!!
Warmest hugs,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thanks Roger !
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dearest Shirley for pointing me out what have distracted you in this image of mine ... and this is one of the waves we are improving and getting better !
Warmest hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dearest Nicky !!! :)))
Kiss,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Arif !!!
Warm hugs,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you dear Paul !!!
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dearest Marian !!! :)
Warm hugs,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Paolo !
Big hugs,
Srna

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Marian Man Marian Man   {K:80636} 3/19/2008
yes the end of listening and paying attention to "constructive" critique dear Srna!!!
this is a fine moment in your life which you are sharing with us and we really appreciate it!!!!
just keep on smilling my sweet friend cause as you can see your friends love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
warm hugsssssssssssssssssssss
(see my dedication to you!!! I believe it will bring a smile to your face!!!)
Marian

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Linda !!!
Warmest hugs,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Pablo !
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much dear Ugo !!!
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Alida !!!
Warmest hugs,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much dear Alain !!!
Hug,
Srna

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Thank you so very much my dear Riny !
xxx
Srna

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Paolo Corradini Paolo Corradini   {K:59552} 3/19/2008
..o my god i read only now all...no comment don't worry my dear!
big hugs
Paolo

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Linda Imagefree Linda Imagefree   {K:72276} 3/19/2008
Well dear Srna, there are many ways to spread love and cheer throughout the world, you do that with your kinds words and images. Just keep on doing what you do and disregards these bumps in the road. I completely agree with Alain, and many others here, time to move on to something positive and uplifting...don't let a few unnecessary words on paper disrupt your life or God forbid your photography!! Big hugs to you...I like the mood in your image, and it certainly got some attention didn't it, that's what photography should do, not necessary for everyone to like it or love it...right? :)

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Pablo Dylan Pablo Dylan   {K:63918} 3/19/2008
Sometimes there is surprise the world of violence.There surprise then to see or read people Without class.
I do not know this Mr. Who, but I am sure that his life is not happy.Worse for him, the virtual world is great.
Your photos I like, is evocative and interesting.
Bye bye dear Friend.

Pablo

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Ugo Rimoldi Ugo Rimoldi   {K:6232} 3/19/2008
Cara Srna, concordo con quanto scritto da Alida e Alain.
E ... se può esserti di icoraggiamento, ti citerò un passo del sommo poeta italiano DANTE ALIGHIERI " Non ti curar di lor ma guarda e passa"
Un forte abbraccio con stima.
Ugo

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Alida Yolanda Alida Yolanda   {K:11523} 3/19/2008
Carissima Srna: L'arte è un'emozione, non un linguaggio, perchè non ha un codice inequivocabile condiviso con tutti i suoi fruitori, ma al contrario si interpreta soggettivamente. Può piacere a molti o a nessuno, e NESSUNO può dire cosa sia arte e cosa non lo sia. A me piace tantissimo il tuo stile; soffice, morbido dove i colori e le forme sono carezze che comunicano EMOZIONI!
IGNORA LA VIOLENZA, non merita nemmeno di essere letta...
e continua per la tua via!
Un abbraccio forte e sincero.
Alida Santarelli

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Alain Mijngheer Alain Mijngheer   {K:11733} 3/19/2008
Hey Srna,
ok I just read the back and forth comments diagonaly. Made me smile finally altough I understand you're pissed off by this! But keeping up this whole discussion brings no gain at all.
I think one important point has been forgotten to be mentioned and that is the main reason why photo's are being posted here. Because we like or love photography and we want to show what we proudly made. There are a lot of things I see here that I don't realy like but I'm adult enough not to give negative comments. Always try to be constructive. When constructive comments are useless I just don't comment at all, leaving the photographer in his or her dignity.
So Srna the conclusion is very simple : if you like what you're doing just keep on doing it regardless of negative feedback.
I have spoken....and now back to happy life :)

Alain

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Riny Koopman Riny Koopman   {K:102911} 3/19/2008
Love you Srna,keep going with your fantastic work!

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Riny Koopman Riny Koopman   {K:102911} 3/19/2008
Love you Srna,keep going with your fantastic work!

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Riny Koopman Riny Koopman   {K:102911} 3/19/2008
Love you Srna,keep going with your fantastic work!

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Riny Koopman Riny Koopman   {K:102911} 3/19/2008
Love you Srna,keep going with your fantastic work!

XXX

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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor Shirley D. Cross-Taylor   {K:173998} 3/19/2008
Whoever you are, I'm just now jumping into the fray...not knowing previously that this was going on.

If you had been paying attention, my critique to Srna was not just all lovey-dovey. But I DO love Srna as a friend, and am concerned for her health and the stress this is putting on her. She nearly died recently, and we are SO grateful that she is back.

If you look at the work of myself and many others in this forum, you will see that many of us are accomplished photographers, posting excellent work. However, none of us is perfect, and all of us can use improvement. But many of us are also here for the warmth of the community.

Sometimes being 'right' is not good enough. Sometimes being kind is more important.

So why are you so bitter? That is no way to gain friends. Please stop and reassess your life, and leave dear Srna alone.

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Srna Stankovic Srna Stankovic   {K:172232} 3/19/2008
Mr. who ever is your name, first of all I will show your constructive and not misleading critiques on my work with which you do think you have helped me to improve my work and learn to be better :

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Jay R UF Usefilm.com Non Aligned Photographers {K:71} 3/16/2008
If only you knew what you were doing, maybe you would learn? I fail to see what most do, or maybe presume to see, ......??? (are you using me as a victim to fight with everybody on this site ?)

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Damnimgood . . . Usefilm.com Non Aligned Photographers {K:1917} 3/16/2008
My oh my, how we love ourself, is it a fetish or just for the views.... I think we are now past the beginning, lets bring this to an end...please (is this the constructive critique ?)

All what you have done in order to help me (Mr.X) you have insulted me with your rudeness and impoliteness and your attacks are of a very bitter and harsh man. You stressed me and hurt me so very much ... may I ask why ?!

If you do not like my work all you had to do is to point out what you do not like and what I have to do to improve, but your words were terribly offensive, nothing more.

And yes, I do remember you ... once you were so very nice and a kind man who left a few constructive and very clever critiques and in this way you have helped me a lot. Thank you once again for this honorable and humanity gesture.

And please, just ask your self one thing, where are all these people from my hug and kissing club these days … where are they … why they did not stood up to fight for me when we are here just for hugs and kisses ... I do suppose all are in so very big shock and do not want to participate in this whole drama you have made Mr.X from only to you known reasons.

Now I do kindly ask from you not to interrupt me and stress me any more because this agony is now present for a third day !!!

You have apologized to me but you have come again for some more fight and I really thought you were so kind not to repeat this again and I ve just wanted to thank you for that, but you ve came back again !!!

I am kindly asking you to stop insulting and fighting with everybody around ... you were very kind man ... and I hope you will prove you are still.

Sincerely,

Srna Stankovic

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Doyle D. Chastain Doyle D. Chastain   {K:101119} 3/19/2008
Mr. Russell.

Before you continue to embarass yourself, I should point out that if you click "Damnimgood" and then click Critiques FROM "Damnimgood" . . . you can see everything "Damnimgood" has said. Naturally, it takes no time at all to see "Damnimgood" (who you now say is using the computer WITH you as a work computer) also signs your name. Shocker, eh? Even on this very thread "Damnimgood" signed off as JR.

Incidentally, posting a comment on a public thread is not talking behind someone's back. Obviously you got the message.

It's one thing to be wrong, angry and embarassed . . . but you're now also guilty of upsetting Srna so much she's thinking of withdrawing from UF. She has had recent medical issues and we who like her were so happy to get her back. She's unable to handle the drama. So will you choose to selfishly stay with your lies and drive this innocent person away? How low can a person go? I'll wait to see.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

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Ozjan Yeshar Ozjan Yeshar   {K:15239} 3/19/2008
The blur in here with such a tone is taking the perspective to a dreamy mood. Cheers Srna.

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Sid Banerjee   {K:3127} 3/19/2008
Wow a war is going on it seems..... as quite a lot of ppl has said about the B/G, I am not discussing this....overall soft ness is great

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Jen van Wijn Jen van Wijn   {K:24075} 3/18/2008
Dear Srna, hope you will come back soon! Dont let this all influence you and your work dear, its not worth it, as I know you believe in what you're doing, with your eyes AND heart....so let's start the beginning:)) See you soon, hugs and kiss Jenxx

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Walter Scarella Walter Scarella   {K:19671} 3/18/2008
Another beautiful portrait, very original ! Excellent crop and compo with nice warm light ! Brava....Ciao.....Walter

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Jay R   {K:71} 3/18/2008
Hi Keith,

You have the effrontery to call D gutless but you insult him behind his back!!!! I thought that this thread was over with and here you go starting it up again!!! And for your information and for that matter, Doyle’s, who I may add, made the erroneous assumption that he made two comments in two different names. WRONG!!!!! Yes the comments came from the same address (how he found out is anyone’s guess????) but have you ever heard of a place called work!!!!!! D, is in fact, one of my work colleagues, so get your facts (you and Doyle) straight before you point the finger of condemnation because there is usually three pointing back at you my friend!!!



And as a matter of interest…where is your critique on Srna’s picture. Please don’t bother to write back to me..I find the whole thing is totally ridiculous, all these people making a storm in teacup. They are judging her photo’s from the heart and not with their eyes.

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Julie Salles Julie Salles   {K:22654} 3/18/2008
Dear Srna, I respect what you do and couldn't agree more with Keith's word. I don't need to be a veteran to understand about style and I appreciate yours as it is unique to yourself. You're very talented so please don't let these words bother you, I know it is hard not to get hurt but you have people here who really care about you and admire your work. I am one of them.
Love,
Julie.

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Lugal  Sar Lugal  Sar   {K:4838} 3/18/2008
Very good.
well done Srna

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Robert Chin   {K:22282} 3/18/2008
Beautiful warm colors Srna,those lips do look lovely.
Take care
Robbie

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Keith  Growden Keith  Growden   {K:29240} 3/17/2008
Well well. Sorry you had to put up with this Srna. I think that clown is really rude to you as everyone has there own style. You have yours and thats great. The world would be a pretty sad place if everyone did the same thing. Pretty gutless to say the same thing twice under different names. Some people need to get a life. Extra hugs for you today. Keith

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Damnimgood .   {K:1935} 3/17/2008
Dear Srna. Please accept my appology for using your picture as a forum.

Regards.

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Damnimgood .   {K:1935} 3/17/2008
Courtesy!! for who???Only for Srna!! standards my friend, standards, 1 2 3...or more, And this comes from the man who has "never" hijacked someone's pictures or forums. Pull the other one, it's got bells on it, but then you already knew that already, Doyle.
Think long and hard about some of the information you have shared with me, that's where i get my facts from, not just this incident, but 2 or 3 situations before this. So me mistaken, definitely not, and that's a fact.
Discuss this privately with you, over my dead body, (oops you know where i live.)

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Doyle D. Chastain Doyle D. Chastain   {K:101119} 3/17/2008
Mr. Russell:

You're mistaken about friends in high places and shared passwords. Any information about you comes from you. Anyone can find it.

I'd be happy to discuss this with you further if you wish . . . but send me an e-mail to the address on my profile, if you would? This photo belongs to Srna and should not be a discussion blog on a topic unrelated to her photo.

Can we at least agree to extend her this courtesy?

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

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Damnimgood .   {K:1935} 3/17/2008
If this site were part of some major group I would have without hesitation have laid a complaint, that my privacy has been violated.

So, this brings me to the point that you asked me where did i get my info from, "forums" and may i add "

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Doyle D. Chastain (K=98080) - Comment Date 3/17/2008

Good question Michele! As it happens we seem to have an inactive staff. Normally, I would have you move this to the Post Bugs string, but the last three comments there have not been responded to either. One of them leaves advertising SPAM on our site! Maryanne Murillo, for example, has renewed her membership AND she and I have both sent her receipts in . . . which, combined with my persoanl e-mails have fallen on deaf ears. While she paid, she enjoys no benefits from paying and can upload only one image per day.

Additionally, after 5 years on this site . . . I too renewed and . . . shocker . . . just received a notice that I need to pay to continue as a donor . . . although I'm quite certain it wouldn't work even if I paid again. In two days I will be block from all the benefits of Donor status. If you recall, recently, Phillip Minnis had the same issue . . . with a friend. And Ann is an amazing photographer. What a waste that even the chance of losing some of these people is happening.

Good luck.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~ "

So , friends in high place. User names and passwords shared,

Now lets talk about this issue of caring. Doyle here on UF we share words and pieces of our mind with fellow UF's,and thats how we bash things out but when I signed up and had the choice to remain an Unaligned and anon that was my right and a right to privacy. You breached that fundamental right of mine, and raised the issue of access to information. On that same issue all my personal info that i shared with UF, is now at your disposal and who knows who else's, does this not put the privacy of ALL UF members at risk, For example knowing my name and where i live, which at this point is quiet frightening, that to me is the ethical part.

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AJ Miller AJ Miller   {K:49168} 3/17/2008
Well said Doyle. I was originally going to respond to Damnimgood/JR/Russell's comment addressed to me but decided there were better ways I could use 30 seconds. And once again, sorry Srna for taking up your space!

AJ

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Doyle D. Chastain Doyle D. Chastain   {K:101119} 3/17/2008
Russell:

Bliksem, but there is a moer `n lot of issues here, eh?

"Firstly you talk about ethics, which you definitely let slip here..."
Sez you.

"The last time i checked you held no extra powers other that a paid member..."
So . . . you think there's a list of staff? LoL! Who, exactly did you check with? I'm curious since I'm not on 'staff'.

"now seems this info is open to friends, so once again i say you talk about ethics, you dare mention that to me"
Nice assumptions. I asked nobody. ...And yes, I dare mention it. Somebody should.

"you do not know me from a bar of soap, and you have the audacity to talk about class"
I know what you wrote here on two different names. I have yet to see class on this string.

"At this point, I feel that you have released information held in trust between me and UF, and only UF, you have blatantly disregarded my right to privacy."
I care as much about how YOU feel as you care about how others feel. Incidentally, Genius, you 'outted' yourself by signing the wrong name on the comment above.

"Ethics and class??? "
Yes. Look the words up . . . they're not complicated.

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Damnimgood .   {K:1935} 3/17/2008
So Doyle, you bring up two very, and I reiterate, very important issues here. Firstly you talk about ethics, which you definitely let slip here, The last time i checked you held no extra powers other that a paid member, but it seems time served gives you the privilege to enquire into info that at this point, i feel was held legally in good hands of UF, namely any information that i shared with UF and it's designated office bearers, now seems this info is open to friends, so once again i say you talk about ethics, you dare mention that to me:-(
Secondly you talk about class, My dear Doyle, you do not know me from a bar of soap, and you have the audacity to talk about class, something you seemed to lack in your last paragraph in the letter to me.

At this point, I feel that you have released information held in trust between me and UF, and only UF, you have blatantly disregarded my right to privacy. If you can access this kind of info, what else do you have access too, and how do you share that info and with whom.

Ethics and class???

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Mehul Chimthankar Mehul Chimthankar   {K:18655} 3/17/2008
Hi Srna,

This is wonderful, I dont agree with the about

7+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Mehul

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Doyle D. Chastain Doyle D. Chastain   {K:101119} 3/17/2008
Jay R / DamnImGood:

If you don't like their warm fuzzy club then don't step in. It's really just that simple.

You seem upset that people are all patting each other on the back and not critiquing or helping each other . . . while letting other great shots go by without their earned 7 ratings. And yet, you're HERE and not on the others you seem to think deserve a 7? But Why?

It may interest you to know that there are many people from many places here and they're here for many reasons. It may also interest you to know that I have made comments to these warm/fuzzy club members that are not the "Great shot 7+++++++++" but actual critiques and advice . . . and well thought out advice at that! I certainly have been known to drop a long winded, nit-picky critique where I thought I might be able to help. I seem to have missed you constructive help here. You seem to think Srna's shot could be improved . . . but that wasn't what you were doing here, right? Instead of helping her improve her shot to your standards or with you thoughts, you chose to (more or less) attack all of the people who DO comment . . .

Sometimes it gets a bit dull to put time, effort and love into images only to have 20 people come along and nit pick them all apart. Sometimes it does some good for people to hear something encouraging so that they continue to enjoy the site, the field of photography and the idea that they can improve. So you make the kind of friends you need to balance your experience on this site. Some (like me) who have a tendency to give REAL suggestions and advice . . . and some who give the pats on the back and help people to not toss the camera and just say "I'll never get it right".

I can say that signing in with two accounts just so you can be rude twice is not only unethical . . . but it says something about why you have so few pictures. I'd recommend you worry less about the people you think aren't improving or find a way to be kind and actually help them improve. Or do you think that your comment does anything more to bring about the improvement you think is warranted than any other comment? The only difference, of course . . . is your comment is not helpful AND it's likely to hurt feelings. Not a good comment to make . . . and lacking in class.

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

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Damnimgood .   {K:1935} 3/17/2008
Hi AJ

I notice that this is your first visit to Srna's pics, and we all know why, so no bullsh*#@ting here. Now all of a sudden you have great interest in this pic, of all pics. So have you migrated here for the Hugs and kisses too or are you here touting views for your works.I have yet to see a TRUE constructive comment on ANY of Srna's pictures from which she can actually learn , like you and many others have pointed out.
Yeah, i do only have one pic posted, or to be more correct one picture left.
Why do i not post, any fool can figuer that out.

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Mahmoud Baha Sadri Mahmoud Baha Sadri   {K:19634} 3/17/2008
sensual...

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1301307 60 1301307 60   {K:44058} 3/17/2008
Is that a scar there on your mouth...? I can't figure out where to look. I agree with Shirley, the background is dominating the attraction because I think everything is blurry, and that object outweighs the other textures..
A good study series Srna..'
Lets just enjoy what we are doing here, don't give attention to them.. hugs.

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Michele Carlsen Michele Carlsen   {K:146013} 3/17/2008
Dear Damimgood/AJ ,
We all see different things in images is all I was trying to say ..

If you see no value then help Srna to 'learn' what your idea of value is..... personally I see ART differently than YOU - to each his own .

Regards,
Michele~

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Michele Carlsen Michele Carlsen   {K:146013} 3/17/2008
Hi AJ ..hey thanks for pointing that out to me ..I was so involved with reading his response that I missed that part - ha!!

Much appreciation my freind !
Michele~

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Nicole Besch Nicole Besch   {K:72664} 3/17/2008
Hi my dear Srna!!
I'm so sorry to read this rude comment about your shot:))You know very well that we love your personal style and all your shots...don't take THIS rude comment to your heart!!!!!!Wonderful respond from Michele and AJ!!!!!!!!!!!
Big warm hug my dear,
Nicki

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John Hatz John Hatz   {K:156973} 3/17/2008
very nice, who say that blur photography is not nice? not me!!! Excellent work my friend!

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AJ Miller AJ Miller   {K:49168} 3/17/2008
And finally, hi Srna! Sorry to have hijacked your space, but I felt compelled to respond to the comments that had gone before. And whatever, just keep on posting!

AJ

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AJ Miller AJ Miller   {K:49168} 3/17/2008
Hi Michele! Did you notice that those two comments are also very similar in content and style, and that "Damnimgood" signs himself "JR" in his follow-up?

AJ

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AJ Miller AJ Miller   {K:49168} 3/17/2008
Dear Damnimgood,

Well, you are certainly entitled to express your views, though I wonder if it might be more helpful to comment on the photograph, rather than on the comments. Perhaps some indication of why you want to "bring this to an end"? After all, Srna is posting photographs and thereby inviting constructive comments, from which she may well indeed learn. While I notice that you have just one shot uploaded since November...
AJ

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Doyle D. Chastain Doyle D. Chastain   {K:101119} 3/17/2008
Well . . . definitely differnt. :)

Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~

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Ugo Rimoldi Ugo Rimoldi   {K:6232} 3/17/2008
Excellent portrait dear Srna, congrat!!7/7

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parehan .K parehan .K   {K:27453} 3/17/2008
There is a sad story here "the beginning ... and the end?!" :) ..But still we are waiting a new great happy begin.. Nice conceptual photoart as your personal style sweet Srna!
Warm regards and hugs my good friend.
parehan

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Alida Yolanda Alida Yolanda   {K:11523} 3/17/2008
Excellent image my dear,colors and light are very beautifull!Congrat!++++++++++++++

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Damnimgood .   {K:1935} 3/17/2008
Well my dear Michele, I do read the words "Learning" in your comment, sadly You and many other photog's have for a very long time misled Srna, in your efforts just to remain friends and naturally to get the views and ratings on your own work, Sure you bunch are friendly with all the "Hugs hugs " & "kiss kiss" all the time its no wonder you lots don't have the heart to give Srna some positive crit, just nice words. Can you honestly say that every picture and go back and look honestly, that the 7+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ that you so freely dish out, are helpful to her, or like i said just being nice, so which is it to be, helpful or nice. So much talent here on UF going un-noticed, and material from which you and the likes can "Learn" from yet you stay in this small confined group, oblivious of the going on's around you. Wake up my dear, open your eyes look around see some quality photography worthy of you 7+'s
Cheers JR

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jacques brisebois   {K:73883} 3/16/2008
great serie Srna, prefer the focus on your hand... just my opinion..
take care my friend

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Michele Carlsen Michele Carlsen   {K:146013} 3/16/2008
hello Jay R...
Please leave a helpful critique or none at all as this is a place we hope to learn from each other and I personally find your comment 'abusive' .

Honestly,
Michele~

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Michele Carlsen Michele Carlsen   {K:146013} 3/16/2008
My dear Damimgood this is a learning photography club and if You do not have a helpful critique it is un-welcomed to be rude. Pleae offer a helpful comment or none at all..
I know I don't appreciate it ..How can one learn when you are only critical .

Honestly,
Michele~

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Michele Carlsen Michele Carlsen   {K:146013} 3/16/2008
I would only Change my mis-spelling of 'change ' ha!!!

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Michele Carlsen Michele Carlsen   {K:146013} 3/16/2008
Hello my dearest Srna ...I like this thought provoking series here of 'Beginings' as there is always an 'Ending' or change like how the catapillar changes to the butterfly-- I see you fading from one existance to another in this series ... I see the start, the hope, and the change .... of course this is only my perception and we all have our own but I do like your images that tell a story for each of us ..and I would not chqange a thing ..This is ART and so creative !!!
7+++++++++++++++++++++++

Loveeeeeeeeeee,
Michele~

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Gustavo Scheverin Gustavo Scheverin   {K:164501} 3/16/2008
Muy interesante toda la serie.
Felicitaciones!

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Diego Bullita Diego Bullita   {K:17017} 3/16/2008
optimal portrait dear Srna,
regards
diego

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Mojgan Bahasadri Mojgan Bahasadri   {K:16243} 3/16/2008
Hi my dear!:)
Very exciting point of view !! Nice angle for a nice composition!!Original idea !!

Bravo my dear Srna!

Big hug,
Mojgan

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Roger Skinner Roger Skinner   {K:81846} 3/16/2008
yeah love the lips

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Shirley D. Cross-Taylor Shirley D. Cross-Taylor   {K:173998} 3/16/2008
I like the focus on your mouth, but am distracted by whatever is in the background, my dearest Srna.:)

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Damnimgood .   {K:1935} 3/16/2008
My oh my, how we love ourself, is it a fetish or just for the views.... I think we are now past the beginning, lets bring this to an end...please

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Jay R   {K:71} 3/16/2008
If only you knew what you were doing, maybe you would learn? I fail to see what most do, or maybe presume to see, ......???

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Nicole Besch Nicole Besch   {K:72664} 3/16/2008
Great soft tones and another great idea my dear Srna!!
You are so very creative.....I'm looking forward to the next one:))))))
Have a nice evening,
Kiss,Nicki

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Arif Ertan Ersoy (aersoy) Arif Ertan Ersoy (aersoy)   {K:27380} 3/16/2008
and amazing! beautiful! shot for your gorgeous series my dear srna! i like the more focusing on your lips!and the soft tone gives more stronger mood to the image!!
thanx for sharing dear!!
congrat.
warm hugs and kisses,
arif

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Paul Harris Paul Harris   {K:3208} 3/16/2008
Of what? well done Srna

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