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  Photography Forum: Nature Photography Forum: 
  Q. Double Exposure with the Moon

Asked by Kim Culbert    (K=37070) on 9/12/2005 
I want to take pictures of an evening landscape with a double exposure that includes a larger moon. Before when I've tried this I set my Nikon F80 to multiple exposure, set the Exposure Compensation button to a compensation value of -1.0EV so that I can put two images on the same frame of film without overexposing. I take a shot of my landscape, metering for it properly. I then take a picture of the moon, exposing for the moon properly. When I get the picture back the landscape isn't as sharp or clear... and I'm guessing it's because when I take the moon shot the sky (which is usually sunset or dark blue) is also printing on top of the landscape shot.

What can I do to keep a sharp, detailed wide shot with a bright moon in it as well? Any tips would be most welcomed.

I'll attach an example below... I know that this can be worked on in photoshop, but I would like to know how to make this happen "in-camera".


    

Attempt at Double Exposure



 Steve Kaufman   (K=2748) - Comment Date 9/12/2005
Kim, are the stripes in the sky clouds? If you were to attempt this on a truly cloudless sky, your results would be a bit better, but you will always get a color shift by combining the two images in camera, as the sky color will overlap that of the landscape. Another option, one that is a bit more difficult..... You can photograph the moon on a dark night (the sky black, so no color to add to your landscape). It's possible to shoot a roll of photos of the moon, rewind the film back into the cassette, then shoot the photos of your landscape at a different time when lighting is optimal. Long ago, my Dad did this, using the moon as a background for V's of flying geese, and it worked very well.




Rashed Abdulla
 Rashed Abdulla  Donor  (K=163889) - Comment Date 9/12/2005
iam not an expert but i would think that to gain a good sharpning you need to use a heaivy tripod and a cable release for the moon capture specially ,a long shutter speed with a small F stop of f16 ,also i would recommend for the moon capture to be taken with fully black sky and away from the cities or town to avoid lighting from the ground getting their way through the image.iam sorry for my poor english and wish you all of the best.





 Kim Culbert   (K=37070) - Comment Date 9/12/2005
Thanks so much Steve... the stripes in the sky are clouds... I wanted to incorporate the sunset with the moon, and as you know, the best colours happen when there are clouds in the sky.
I think I might experiment with your dad's technique... I will have to sketch where I place the moon in each of the shots so that when I take the landscapes I don't overlap. Now, do I just take the moon shots, exposed for the moon, and then take the landscapes normally as well, or do I need to compensate for the black sky in the landscape shots? Anothr probably silly question... does it matter if I'm using slide or negative film?







 Steve Kaufman   (K=2748) - Comment Date 9/13/2005
Kim, I don't think it would matter what type of film you use. I would expose the moon at -1 EV so that it isn't too bright. I would shoot the landscape without any exposure compensation, but you could always bracket to hedge your bet.




Slava Z
 Slava Z   (K=1124) - Comment Date 10/1/2005
Kim, I tried to take a similar shot a few years ago, and here is what I did. I set the F80 on a tripod for the multiple exposure, but did not use the exposure compensation. Instead, I let the matrix figure out the correct exposure for the landscape, figuring that the sky would be rather dark, but not black. Then I strapped on a longer lens and changed the metering mode to spot and exposed just for the moon. This way the moon is fairly well exposed, and because it is so much brighter than the evening sky, it makes the rest of the frame go virtually black, so it doesn't affect your first exposure at all. I enclode the end result. Tell me if it's any help to you. Cheers Slava.








 Kim Culbert   (K=37070) - Comment Date 10/1/2005
Thanks so much Slava... and thanks for the picture... it looks like how I want mine to turn out. I will have to try this next time the moon comes out from the clouds!




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