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  Q. HELP ON C41 "B&W" film Please.

Asked by Chuck Freeman    (K=13616) on 2/5/2004 
I have used a good many rolls of C41 film which is supposed to give good Black & White Prints. The problem is, I get everything-brown, green, purple, sepia (not too bad)-but seldom do I get black and white at all. I have talked to well known USA Lab managers, and most of them reallb hate the stuff, one going so far as to say it was terrible and real black and white could not be achieved. I have used TCN 400, Portra, and the consumer kind like found at Walmart. They ( the lab managers) also have no regard for Ilford Xp films. Can anyone give me a clue what I am to do. Which lab and how are your C41 Chromogenic film prints?


    





 Chris Goodman   (K=1078) - Comment Date 2/5/2004
Chuck,
I am by no means an expert but I have always used C41 b&w. My new favorite being Ilford XP2. Believe it or not, I send my stuff to the Wolf that is down the street. The prints are always crisp and pretty close to b&w. I do use an orange or deep red filter all the time though. I hope that helps. Here's the link to one of them.
http://www.usefilm.com/image/289608.html





 Peter Witkop   (K=3189) - Comment Date 2/6/2004
Achieving a good black and white image on color paper is possible, but is rather difficult, requiring a technician with a good eye for color, and the effort required to do so is rarely worth it for 4x6 proof prints. In my experience with c-41 B&W films, it's best to regard the prints that come back with the film as proofs, and to have and "real" prints you have done, printed on real B&W paper, which will of course give a 'true' black and white. BTW, ilford Xp films aren't really designed to print on color paper, they're designed to print easily on traditional B&W paper, hence the opinions you've gotten from lab managers who's job it is to print them on color paper. As a side note, even silver prints are not strictly black and white, there are warm tone, cold tone papers, and numerous toners that are used to affect the color of the prints. As for labs to do C-41 B&W prints, since I don't use the prints for anything more than proofs, my only requirement is that I trust them not to scratch the negs, which does rule out _many_ consumer labs.

Peter




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