Mike Dixon
(K=1387) - Comment Date 3/3/1999
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There are many reasons I might NOT take a photo. The most frequent is that I don't have a camera with me. Another common one is that, on closer examination (e.g. taking a good look through the viewfinder), I decide that the picture won't be very good and I am either unable or unwilling to do what it takes to make it a good picture (I try not to be too lazy about my photography, but sometimes I don't have the appropriate equipment with me, or I don't feel like endangering myself to get the best angle, etc.). Occasionally, I'll not take a photo because doing so would be rude or inappropriate.
Most of the regrets come from not having the right equipment (or any equipment) with me to get the shot. Usually, if I make a conscious decision to NOT take a photo, I'm satisfied with the decision. It's more common to look at a photo I have taken and wonder, why the hell did I take -that- picture?
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Marv
(K=216) - Comment Date 3/3/1999
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Reason #1, the wind that, majically, comes from no where. Reason #2, the sun went under-came out from under the clouds. Reason #3, some moron steps in front of the camera. Reason #4, the people that were the center of attention, leave, normally to be replaced by the moron. Reason #5, after spending a half hour getting the setting just right,I drop the darkcloth on the subject, kick dirt, sand, snow or some other debris into the frame, you know, muck it up as bad as I can.
Regrets, sure, but it's only photography. Pick pack up the equiptment and move on.
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harikrishna
(K=21) - Comment Date 3/4/1999
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yes, quite a few. i remember i was sitting in the corbett national park in india at around 6 pm in the evening during may'97. there a was a field of hemp all around me, with a water hole in the middle. there were lots of pug marks on the ground. the sky was glowing gold and red. and suddenly i went paranoid that i didn't get my equipment to photograph the sunset. a moment later i felt - hell this is the real thing, i've got to feel it here, right now ! don't clutter your head with the something else. why do i want to photograph? to prove someone else that i'd been to the hottest spot on earth ? and why do i need a memory of THIS photograph ? so what if i forget this ! can anything else capture this intensity of the experience ? isn't this photography fixation blocking my feel ? and why should everything be photographed at all. and then atleast for those moments , i could free my mind. and yes, i enjoyed it deeply. and i do not regret not taking photographs.
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james mickelson
(K=7344) - Comment Date 3/4/1999
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I didn't take that picture of Half-Dome because I was thinking of a thread I read here. And my friend showed me his picture taken at that time and I'm pissed. I could have taken a better one. You snooze you lose. And then there was the guy up in NoCal that was losing his job because I was against him cutting down anymore old growth redwoods. I didn't think it wise to take his picture. And I realised it had two sides. Both personal and intense.
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Russell Edwards
(K=329) - Comment Date 3/4/1999
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Reason #1 is that I already have hundreds of shots that are "moderately interesting but don't quite cut it". It's a waste of film and it makes viewing the proofs more disappointing. For me it is still a conscious act of restraint to not take a photograph of something that isn't incredibly interesting, "just in case" it "comes out" "good" (it never does).
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jon eric
(K=15) - Comment Date 3/4/1999
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when I look through the viewfinder, i realize that the composition really sucks and the image will fall flat. I find that i raise the camera to my face and put it down, more times that i actually make an image.
jon
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/4/1999
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I don't think this applies to any criteria other than aesthetical but here goes. I'm standing in front of the tv blasting away villians on my playstation and the phone rings. My girlfriend Traci picks up the phone plops down on the couch and gets lost in a conversation. I hear her chatting to a friend while I'm killing these bellboys(Time Crisis), and I hear her offering my photographic services to one of her friends and at first I just think it's a run of the mill "honey do". She interupts the game by telling me to put the gun down cause she needs to ask me a favor. It's her friend X and she wants to know if I'll do a boudoir photo of X for her husband for a Valentines day gift. I kinda shrug and ask what kind. Don't care to shoot boudoir...so Traci asks her what kind of boudoir photo she would like. After Traci nods at the reciever a few times and finally says "That sounds cool" she looks up and explains. "X says she wants a picture of herself standing by a tool chest and a car in a swimsuit like in those Nascar and tool company calenders". "Nope" I said. "I don't do boudoir or swimsuit." and offered no reasonable explanation other than that. Traci and her friend X were despondant and wanted a reason. I said "I just don't..... call photog B he specializes in that shit." Later I tried to explain to my girlfriend why I didn't want to do it. None of my reasons were any good for Traci. I told her that I have seen boudoir that i thought was decent and would enjoy to reproduce a seedy Iriving Klaw style fetishistic photo of the 50's but I couldn't see me doing the run of the mill portrait photog by day boudior by night calender photo. I still have not been forgiven. No moral objections at all Lot, no regrets either, an issue of taste? Well, I'm no judge of taste but the shoot didn't appeal to me at all.
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Mike Dixon
(K=1387) - Comment Date 3/4/1999
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Sounds like you passed up the perfect opportunity to make a subversive parody of a standard cheesecake photo. Though I suppose you'd be in even bigger trouble with the ladies if you hadn't. . .
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james mickelson
(K=7344) - Comment Date 3/5/1999
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Tribby, I'll do it. I'll do it. Damn did you get her number?
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/5/1999
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Just who in the hell do you think photog B is, Mickleson? he he he you old perv.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/6/1999
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For me, it is an emotional thing...either the photograph is there and the feeling is right, or it isn't...and I don't even raise the camera. I won't say that I always get the photograph on film, but if I feel it...it is there....and if I don't it ain't (for me) it might be there for the next guy (or gal) that comes along.
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Lot
(K=1558) - Comment Date 3/6/1999
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Howard, do you mean to say that you never *search* for photo's, that you never go out 'hunting' with all your equipment and never doubt to unpack your things and raise it? I envy you.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/6/1999
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Lot, I'm sorry I didn't mean to give the impression that I don't "search" for photographs...in fact I mostly do "search" for photographs....I will go to an event, or to a particular area specifically to make photographs....what I mean, is that once I look a scene/subject over...I either feel like I can do something with it, or I don't think it will work. I seldom take everything with me...usually I will just load a camera (two in special situations where I expect to be changing lenses a lot) and a couple of lenses, some film, and maybe the tripod...and go. I like the discipline of making the photograph with what I am able to carry with me. It is very seldom that I look through the viewfinder and decide that something won't work, much more often I know what I am going to do before I lift the camera.
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Lot
(K=1558) - Comment Date 3/6/1999
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OK Howard, but WHAT makes you decide NOT to lift your camera; what makes you think this does not work?
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Jeff Spirer
(K=2523) - Comment Date 3/6/1999
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I don't know where Lot and Howard are going, but the reasons I decide not to take a photograph, other than the rather obvious "it doesn't look like it will make a good photo" (which is something like saying you decide not to drive somewhere because there is no road), are:
1) People in the vicinity with automatic weapons. This has stopped me numerous times. It doesn't matter if they are pointed at me or not, since they can be quickly re-aimed.
2) The photograph would be humiliating to someone in it.
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Dan Smith
(K=1407) - Comment Date 3/6/1999
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Oftimes it is the fact that it has been done before, I have seen it and don't think I can do a better job. Or it is a cliche' and I don't have any real interest in contributing to more visual clutter. Then at times I just like to watch the world go by & re-charge the internal batteries on beauty and not spoil the moment setting up the camera.
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Mark Spencer
(K=45) - Comment Date 3/6/1999
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One of the worst reasons to not take the photo is not having a camera with you. I have missed many great shots simply because I didnt have a camera with me. Unfortunantly, the cameras that I like best are BIG can not always have them with me. ...One of the down-sides of medium and large format photography. Sometimes I just dont like to leave my Hasselblad in the car. I should get an old TLR to carry around!
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Roger Wong
(K=15) - Comment Date 3/7/1999
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Twice in the past month, I've put the cover back on my lens.
1: Mardi Gras in Austin. Fantastic looking women were raising their tops and flashing me with their breasts. I decided that they were doing this on the spur of the moment, and that stretching that spur into permanence via a photo was wrong.
2: Girl on drugs dancing in a club. At first I thought she was a very energetic dancer, so I moved towards her to ask if she'd let me shoot her dancing. But her mind was in the 9th superstring dimension. It was very distrubing to me to see someone who had absolutely no idea what she was doing. Security noticed this also, and they made her stop dancing, and then escorted her out of the club.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/7/1999
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Lot, I can't really explain it, I guess it just comes down to an emotional connection...either it is there and I raise the camera...or it isn't and I don't. I don't analyze the idea, if it is THERE..I work on the technical questions (light, shutter speed, lens choice, and perspective) if it ain't there...I just walk on by...to give you an example, I would never take a picture that was demeaning to the subject....but I don't think..."Wow, great picture...but it would demean my subject...I won't take it" if this is the case....the picture just isn't there for me...in 1987 I went to Prague with a group of German friends...we all went to the changing of the guard at the castle...Goose steping, AK47 armed Czech soldiers in dull brown uniforms...all my friends were shooting away...but I didn't take a single shot...but I did shoot about half a roll of an old Czech man watching with a stony, angry, disapproving look on his face....I was just drawn to his anger and not to the nationalistic, militaristic, precision of the guard change...but at the time I didn't reason it out this way, I just went with my my emotional instincts. I know that this is rather vaugue...but it is my best explanation for something that isn't possible to put into words.
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Mason Resnick
(K=216) - Comment Date 3/7/1999
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Generally, I deliberately don't take pictures when I'm reloading. :-)
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Lot
(K=1558) - Comment Date 3/7/1999
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I think the responses of Roger Wong and Howard Creech, maybe Tribby's boudoir-story also, are about moral inhibitions (Tribby's is more ideological/taste/view). I wonder how you think about Diane Arbus, referring also to the thread 'how much damage can you do...' which turned into an environmental debate. I think I could not make her photographs, morally. If her work is meant as solidarity to socially marginal people, I don't see it. I very much doubt whether her subjects like the publication of her photographs, if they have known about it at all. Could be suburban ethics of me, but I wonder what you think.
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/9/1999
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Roger, i happen to like the 9th superstring dimension, it's a nice place to visit and the food's cheap. Riding the snake in A-town is fun too but you'll need auto-focus and high shutter speeds because the temblors are intense. You need to smoke a joint. You live in one of the greatest cities in the southwest so lighten up and let go of your conscious self and get a macro shot of her pupils. hehehe, wheww, flashback, god I wish I was that young and lost again in Austin.
Social marginals are my best friends, and running with that crowd I can't say that Arbus speaks to them. Witkin maybe but Arbus, nyahh. Solidarity? hmm I never thought the marginal crowd could accept any solidarity. That would make them hypocritical and that they'd never accept. Arbus snapped photos of physical oddities and grotesques the declasse' but my marginal friends realize that Tod Browning came first and Arbus was just a still copycat. Her mental illnesses and marginality of morals have been eclipsed in art a hundred fold. Her work is a middle-class surburban look at the oddities and other classes she surrounded herself with, and I think more interesting photos could be had if she'd handed her camera over to them.
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Lot
(K=1558) - Comment Date 3/9/1999
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Agreed, Tribby. I recently heard of a 'photography-project' of high-school kids who were brought to the nearest big city in my country to photograph how 'the picturesque poor' and 'the photogenic homeless' eat out of garbage-cans in down-town Rotterdam. Teacher's intention was probably to promote some sensitivity to social problems in these 16-year-olds, but you can wonder what actually happened in the contact between photographer and subject in this project. I wonder what this is in our time to invade into the private lives of homeless people and to shamelessly exhibit their way of life, justified by some petty-bourgeois, florence-nightingalish compassion, while it is never checked by these crypto-paparazzi whether the subject appreciates such a 'solidarity'. It's something that came up in the image-factory the last two decades, it has never been done before, as far as I can remember.
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/11/1999
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Yup Lot, christians and lions I bet. I hope that teacher was censured. I'm sure the "subjects" could care less about "solidarity" and would prefer a nice hot meal.
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Old Gray Beard
(K=162) - Comment Date 3/11/1999
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Many years ago a warden called me to a prison to cover an inmate who had been stabbed to death while running down the cell block and who had fallen down several flights of stairs. I've seen some pretty gruesome things and even taken pictures of them before that incident, but I think that was the first time I didn't take a picture. I had no regrets not taking the photo. Just found the nearest chair and tried to keep my stomach where it's supposed to be. More recently on a trip to Greece, I did not take pictures of posers who I new to be frauds. I do regret not taking those shots and will take them in a few months when I return. I'm sure the posers will still be there. They'll be good pictures even if they are frauds. And, because truth is important to me, I'll be sure to reveal the fraud to people who view the pictures.
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james mickelson
(K=7344) - Comment Date 3/12/1999
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It seems to me that the social/cryptonightingale/paparazzi has always been here. The homeless and downtrodden have always been fodder for the street shooters among us. Take a look at any "photography in the 20th century/any continent you wish" book. Some of it is very beautiful. I happen to like Phil Borges' work. I don't care for nans' though. If it wasn't for the "pooparatzzis" would the mainstream know much about the homeless alcoholic/drug addict/ uneducated masses? Somebody's got to shoot it and show the rest of us. Lot. Do you have garbage eaters in your town like I do? Do you photograph them? James
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Old Gray Beard
(K=162) - Comment Date 3/12/1999
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I was just getting ready to start a project of shooting those down-trodden, homeless beggars at major intersections who will work for food. Problem was the city council passed an ordinance so the police could keep them off the public right of ways. Another photo op lost.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/12/1999
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What an image...well fed, well dressed, comfortably well off photographers with their expensive toys trying to convey what life on the street is about (after which, of course, they climb into their SUV's, make a couple of calls on the cell phone on the drive home to the suburbs...and their comfortable houses) Those who are completely insulated (isolated) from what they shoot are bullshiting themselves (and their viewers) a good reason to not shoot that picture is that you have no comprehension of what that persons life is like.....it is demeaning, stealing that individuals dignity for cheap pathos. No connection, no empathy, no understanding...equates to "hasn't got a clue"
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Jeff Spirer
(K=2523) - Comment Date 3/12/1999
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I think what Howard has to say is incredibly important. It wasn't clear to me how important until I recently saw a web site of street people, prostitutes, and other people most of us probably don't know and realized how much empathy there was with the people. Reading on, I found out he was a cop, and it became obvious that he knew these people and how they lived, and as a result, the photographs were very, very different.
I mentioned somewhere above that I would not take a photograph if it would humiliate anyone in it, and I find that most photographs of people who live in marginal money situations are arrogant, no matter how much sympathy one is supposed to feel. It might be interesting to give some disposables to their peers and let them take the photographs, and compare.
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Old Gray Beard
(K=162) - Comment Date 3/12/1999
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Golly, Howard, I think you may be assuming a lot about what goes on in my head about a couple of sentences I wrote on a street photo project I had in mind.
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/12/1999
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Old Gray Beard, I miss the guy who used to solicit on Penn near I-44 you remember the scruffy guy with the sign that read " I not going to try to fool you... WILL WORK FOR BEER." I never snapped one of him. Howard do you believe like some primitives that the camera can rob the soul as well as one's dignity? I've been hungry, dirt poor, homeless all of my own accord but I wouldn't wish it on anyone just so they could empathize. Hell I went without 6 meals last week so I could afford to do my laundry. Also do I need a pilot's license to photograph airplanes? I've got a shoot scheduled so please let me know.
p.s. Howard it's a modest late model green Ford pickup and mine's a 12 year-old smoke damaged oldsmobuick that barely moves if it really matters. Can't afford a cell-phone either.
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Lot
(K=1558) - Comment Date 3/12/1999
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Timberland, yes there are homeless people in my city, and I did never photograph them. I don't see why someone should 'shoot' them. If there is any political sense in it, I would certainly not reject it. For instance, if these people go out for a demonstration for their standard of living and a reportage would have journalistic value in this context. But that's a real different context. Why bother these people in their daily life and get them into publicity where they do not ask for. Go to your local posh shopping centre and 'shoot' the decadent rich who don't know where to spend their money on, if you want to make a political statement. If you want to politically convince people you can better try to provoke political anger then charitative compassion.
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james mickelson
(K=7344) - Comment Date 3/13/1999
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Please don't try and get me to sympathize and take the blame for the down trodden. I won't play. All my life which hasn't been all that cushy, I have been in contact with the so called street people. I was one once myself. Of all the street people I have met, most have done it to themselves. Drugs, booze, wrong life styles, wrong decisions. I live near the border of this great land and see thousands of people coming over the border to work. They risk their lives trying to get over here for the work and the promise of better things like gucci malls and SUVs and a better education for their kids. I have what I have because I struggled and worked hard and chose what went inside me. I know handicapped people that didn't choose their condition but they don't live on the street. If you are under the assumption that most people living on the street are there due to the bourgeuos elite like me then you better get out amongst them and take a census. And though I choose not to photograph the downtrodden along with the grief stricken,if it weren't for the photographer/photojournalists among us then far fewer mainstream people would know of their plight. There have always been the less fortunate among us and most of the misfortune is their own fault be it not taking advantage of educational oportunities or choosing the wrong lifestyles. And I for one applaud photojournalists for their commitment to bring this part of our society within view of us. So there is my soapbox oratory for the night. Think I'll get in my SUV and go have some fun taking landscape pictures. Now where did I see those tripod holes?
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james mickelson
(K=7344) - Comment Date 3/13/1999
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And as for the decadent rich? Oh, you mean the guy who goes out everyday to work and does his job and gets paid and pays his taxes so the homeless and poor can eat and get medical care? Oh, you mean the ones who buy the products that employ people at jobs so they can be something other than homeless? Oh, you mean the ones who took advantage of the opportunities the vast majority of us have to get an education and go out into the world and compete for the jobs available to us because we go out to work and buy things in malls and drive cars and use resources? Oh, yeah. That's me. And you and Chris and John and Dan and Old Grey Beard and even that Okie,Tribb. Decadent rich indeed.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/13/1999
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Why do you have to be a "primitive" to have empathy with others? A lot of the people who live on the street didn't have the educational (and other) opportunities most of us take for granted. Many of them are "disabled" (Reagan turned scores of thousands of mentally disabled people out on the streets during his first term) many others are children fleeing abusive homes, others are vets with emotional problems, low income families whose jobs disapeared in the various corporate downsizings, and thousands of others with serious real problems....sorry but that retrograde conservative bullshit about all of them being winos or too lazy to work is just an excuse to ignore the problem....I am not saying that there are not alcoholics (which is after all a disease) and others who have made mistakes in their lives, bad choices, not exploited opportunities...does that make them less deserving of the same respect and courtesy due everyone else? Why is it that traveling to a third world country to photograph the quaint locals..one never hears crap like they made bad choices, or they didn't exploit the educational opportunities available to them, or they are just too lazy to work, or they are all alcoholics or criminals...no instead the photographers would be disapointed in they found everyone wearing L.L. Bean clothes and driving SUV's Poverty exists in this country, just like it exists in other countries...blaming the poor for their condition (while popular) is just another Yuppie cop out.
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james mickelson
(K=7344) - Comment Date 3/13/1999
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Howard. Anytime you want to go with me along the streets of SD and ask the street people their history, just let me know. Been out there living with them. Still live with them to this day. Talk to them on the board walk every day. Most of them made wrong choices or got attached to drugs and alcohol. Kids from abusive homes? My god. Are we a nation of abusers? Or is that the current excuse for running away? Give me a break Howard. Ronnie Raygun wasn't wholly responsible. Blame congress along with him. Where was your vote back then? I chat with the current crop of drop outs everyday at the beach. It's a cool place to hangout. Few hassles and the churches feed them. Most just didn't like doing the work necessary to succeed in school and stay out of trouble. And the war vets with problems? I'm a vet and I deal with my horrors. I am not blind to the minority in life who don't or can't make a go of it. But I see and talk to too many that don't try. I am very sypathetic to their plight but it's their plight. Most of them made it and there they will stay until they want out. There has always been that division even in the third world. I also see too many people who do get tired of it and take the opportunities that are out there to get up and fight to make a better life. I gave up on my daughter after years of trying. She finally did it herself. I got caught up in the chemical culture of Nam and the 70's and almost lost the battle. I know what it's like and who resides there. I won't take the blame. If you want it grab it. It's yours. There are those of us who do give our ten percent to the less fortunate. Try going out with an extra camera and film and reaching out to some disadvantaged kids and teaching them to see. Go out and do a photostory on the homeless. Get it published. But most of all, don't ever try and put your philosophical beliefs against mine. I've been where I've been and that's why I believe what I believe.
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Chris Hawkins
(K=1508) - Comment Date 3/13/1999
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It may seem strange, but both James and Howard are correct. The "bums" or "victims" are responsible for their actions. However, just as some folks are smarter in math than others due to genetics, so it is with choices regarding drug and alcohol abuse. Some folks are simply incapable of fighting the demons they face. Just give thanks that you aren't among them. Help them when you can, try to have compassion and remember that given a couple of bad breaks you could be joining them.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/13/1999
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James, it is not about accepting (or dishing out) blame, it is about empathy and understanding. My experiences vary considerably from yours...I did at one point in my life live on the street (and it was a kinder gentler street in that day, but still not much fun) I also am a vet, and I deal with my problems...but I know others who don't, won't or can't...everyone is not the same...everyone is not equally equiped for survival. Judging others by some standard that YOU set is arrogant and unrealistic...you can't and don't understand their lives...and saying that you do is bullshit. I only speak from experience...I don't pontificate about crap I read in books or hear on the web. If I offer an opinion on this forum, or anywhere else, it is based on my experience...period. I went through the anti-war, drugs, rock'n'roll, etc. culture of the 60's and 70's and I doubt that there is anything at all that you can tell me about it. As for mr reagan...I don't accept any blame for the "me, me, me" years, I didn't vote for the son of a bitch (or anyone who supported him) Are we a nation of abusers? Hell yes...just read the paper...where else in the world are children sexually, physically, and mentally abused like they are here?...Are these excuses for running away? Damn well told they are...I know where I have been, and what I have learned on the journey, and if I feel it it needful to "put my philosophical beliefs against yours" count on it bud, that we will be at odds and I will say what I feel I need to say. This is a forum and telling others what they can and can't say is contrary to the whole idea of free exchange....you are welcome to disagree with me...but don't presume that I am speaking from some Amazon.com stimulated philosophical position. I don't talk about it unless I have been there. To presume that you can see the whole picture based on your personal experiences is petty and arrogant.
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/15/1999
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Smells like patchouilly, IMHO.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/15/1999
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Another facile comment from the "great plains" wit. James and I may disagree about philosophy, but we were there, we lived it....and neither of us felt the need to sum up one of the most painful and definitive periods in American History with some hippie bullshit remark. There was a lot more to it than incense and peppermints, Bobbsey One. "Remain silent and be thought a fool, speak, and remove all doubt" (Ben Franklin)
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/15/1999
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Painful, any period of history where humans are involved is painful. Definitive, not nearly so as the era before yours, where the seeds were sown. Blechh, more smarmy amber/gradient-filtrated nostalgic revisionist history! Once again you prove your own parting shots! petty... arrogant...(the un-revised)Franklinesque..and as ineffectual as your silly quotes.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/15/1999
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Trib, I don't think the civil rights movement, the change from a society that glorified war..to a society that condemns war, landing on the moon, and the many other changes and accomplishments that occurred during this period are less definitive than any other era of major change in American history... As for how painful it may have been, you obviously weren't there so your assumptions are speculation. I think it is supposed to be "rose tinted glasses" and yes I like Ben Franklin. Petty and arrogant? perhaps...I think we all have days when we behave like assholes...so maybe you're right that my parting shot applied just as much to me as it did to you...I can't deny that foolishness is a part of the human comedy (and we are all players on that stage) However, I notice that you didn't address the point...you reduced a serious discourse to some petty reference that cheapened the whole era. Smarmy...jeez, I don't know...but I prefer smarmy to rude and insensitive. I don't like seeing everything we discuss on this forum reduced to some simplistic, snide, superior, unfeeling little joke...that is not a free exchange of ideas...that is sniping from heavy cover.
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/16/1999
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Points such as the civil rights movement failed in every respect save bathrooms, buses, drinking fountains and restaurants. That we americans ,as you put it, still glorify war. That landing on the moon took a more than equal amount of sacrifice from the Russians. Howard, I'm just saying that I'll be grateful when they are all dead. I think you've forgotten what it's like to be dumb, young, ten-foot tall and bullet-proof.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/16/1999
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Trib, it's not that I forgot, I just got over deluding myself...you can't wait until all of Whom is dead? The civil rights gains in this country, while not complete (and certainly not perfect) cover a lot more than you aknowledge. As for glorifying war...there is about 90 per cent less of that now than there was when I was a child. I don't like revisionist history, and that period in our history has been through about a dozen revisions to date (all flawed) but I can tell you this, there was a hell of lot more than incense and peppermints.
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/16/1999
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THE GRATEFUL DEAD...all of em'! Peaceful Chris can tell you how I feel about the civil rights movement. In short, that racism as a civic flaw was misdiagnosed by the movement and that class struggle is the one true enemy. Chris also said some pretty unpeaceful, un-pc rationalizations to old Trib in a private email that bordered on the eugenic. I spared his lilly-white fragile ego besides he's just regurgitating reverse-discrimination caca and i don't think he really believes that shit. Love and hand-grenades Trib.
P.s. They really are the whitest, most poorly executed jam-blues in music history. IHOP
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steve
(K=1127) - Comment Date 3/16/1999
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"I think you've forgotten what it's like to be dumb, young, ten-foot tall and bullet-proof."
You forgot invisible.
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Gene Crumpler
(K=2) - Comment Date 3/16/1999
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Alan, HELP!!!
This thread has gone off the deep end!!!
What was the orginal question?
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/17/1999
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Oh swine that's hilarious. More please gimme more. feh! By the way Steve do you have any photos hanging in cyberspace? I'd love to see your work.
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steve
(K=1127) - Comment Date 3/17/1999
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Trib -- No I don't. I have an 8 year old computer at home that won't run any of the latest Gates-ware, and I'm not connected to the I-net. I hope to cure all of that later this year, and, at that time, I'll forward some photos for your viewing pleasure. Thanks for the interest. Steve
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/17/1999
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Me too, mines a 286 with a 9600 modem that is in boxes in my attic. I can never decide if what i need to save for. I don't trust this gates-world and don't know if I'd ever hang them in the huge cyber-gallery that is the web but I would email if I could just afford to get into this decade. I hope Santy brings you what you want.
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Howard Creech
(K=3161) - Comment Date 3/18/1999
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Trib, never could get into the GD, to hippie PC for me. I prefer Delbert McClinton for blues.
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Trib
(K=2701) - Comment Date 3/18/1999
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"Thank the Maker!"....C3po
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JLee
(K=150) - Comment Date 4/16/1999
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Actually, I decide NOT to shoot a dozen times a day. Mostly because I just can't get my scene or subject matter to "work." I'll go out on little ventures on the weekend, spend three or four ours and take only 2 pictures and those only because I hate to come home with nothing. Maybe I have trouble finding in the viewfinder exactly what it was that caught my eye the first time. Maybe it's a lack of confidence in my ability to portray the scene as my eye see's it. Most likely it's like what other artist go through when they have a creative block. I find that the only thing that works is to have an assignment. That way I can justify shooting pictures that I'm unsure will be good. I can always fall back on the "could have been better but I HAD to have these shots for..." Tell me others have this problem. Any ideas to overcome it would be appreciated.
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