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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 9/4/2007
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Too many too wild parties, my young lady? ;-)
Recover soon, Olga Melissa!
Nick
P.S.: And rock on after recovery! ;-)
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Olga Vareli
{K:22477} 9/4/2007
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I had a really bad night so I guess I know whet you are talking about.Kisses!
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 9/3/2007
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It's only that I am more into "real" images, Olga Melissa, than anything else, I guess.
Too addicted to reality perhaps... real guitars, real whisky, real bad photos, you see... ;-)
Nick
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Olga Vareli
{K:22477} 9/3/2007
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altered, it misses something from the originality of the photo, you are right!
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/29/2007
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I tend to second your opinion here, Andre. But still I wished that the red color of road would have been a bit more extended towards where I was standing when I took that. I seems that I turn to a max-depth buy as the time passes by. (Hopefully this applies to the depth of my thoughts too ;-))
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/29/2007
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Oh, now I see what you mean, Olga Melissa! Sorry, I should have understood that immediately. (Blockhead ;-)) They are not lamps but only objects hanging over the street.
I don't like such alterations afterwards but just for the fun of it, here is the attachment with the objects colored too.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Colored the hanging objects red too after Olga-Melissa's idea |
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 8/29/2007
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Hi again Nick.
The photoshop job on the red at the bottom serves the purpose of showing the proportions of the image. That's what counts in this case. Consider it a rough draft.
In any case, even if it was perfectly done, I think the proportions of the plain cropped version are more pleasing to the eye. Only my opinion, of course.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 8/29/2007
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Hi Nick,
In my eyes, the first changed version is by far the favourite. My eyes seem to go gently to all the good subject matter in this version.
Now, just to be a little more picky... You could clone out the present day car in the lower left and also remove what is left of the wires in PS. That way you have still kept most of the photographic integrity and the image also becomes even more of a mystery.
I think we both agree on the fact that we should become competent with the methods of phototgraphy before we can attempt the surrealistic. I think you are at that level now, whether you believe it or not.
Andre
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Olga Vareli
{K:22477} 8/28/2007
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I meant the lamps ( probably they are lamps) that look like rocks.Good luck with the result, if you do it, let me know.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/27/2007
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Ed i miei ringraziamenti a voi sono grandi e reali, Simone!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/27/2007
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Thanks a lot, Paul, for the nice comment and above all for the ideas and their supporting arguments, that do induce much thinking in my mind. Perhaps you also might want to take a look at the attachments on the messages for Andre, who had the very same idea like you.
For me that kind of wondering, wondering how long the red raod might be going, seem to be not as important as the scene itself and its perspective. After showing that, the spectator may still wonder but in some other way that perhaps is the result of less "hiding" and more "showing". And wondering about the visible might be less mysterious too, but it is also more intimidating sometimes, when the visible itslef cannot be "explained".
Best wishes,
Nick
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Simone Tagliaferri
{K:28180} 8/27/2007
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Bella e surreale!
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/27/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice, detailed comment and the ideas, Olga Melissa! I rather wanted to get a surreal but still very physical and not dreamy atmosphere, but it is interesting to see what an image can cause to other people.
I am quite an opponent of too much PS-alteration, and so I work mainly with camera and lens, trying to get what is possible out of the scene without much "diddle-doo" afterwards.
Just for the record, to clone that car off would mean to somehow "extrapolate" its background and thus create some artificial continuation of it on the image, which is pretty hard for me to do. I can't do that adequately well and so instead of posting some unfinished work I posted the original as is.
Out of curiosity, I would try to paint the lights in the sky red if I only were able to see some. What lights did you mean? Perhaps the sky itself??
Best wishes,
Nick
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Paul Lara
{K:88111} 8/27/2007
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I really like this shot, but think it would be strong if you cropped out the asphalt at the bottom, which would leave the viewer wondering how long the red road went.
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/27/2007
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Or what about a (not very well done) coloring of the gray part of the street in the foreground, Andre? It would mean that I should go some steps forwards and use a shorter focal length in photographic means.
Nick
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Street in the foreground colored red in PS |
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/27/2007
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Thanks a lot for the welcoming and the very nice and detailed comment, Andre! It is really nice being back and reading (at last) something more than the usual one-liners! You see, even vacations didn't change me! ;-) Well, considering PS, the above goes as well for me. ;-)
As Joe Satriani once said: "You must first learn the scales, the modi, the theory, then you must absorb all that material in such a way that you don't really consciously think what would be the next note to play, and then you must surpass that level too, and use the learned stuff but in a very skillful way that is the result of expression based on the assimilated techniques." Perhaps we could translate that into photography and PS-work too. So, I am still a beginner, and so I wait for that maturity - perhaps for the next couple of centuries! :-)
OK, enough philosophy! Now on to the image. I had much luck to work near that street(s) and also even more luck because of that foggy day. It made it possible to get that overexposure on the sky without overexposing the rest.
About your suggestion for a crop, well, you might smile now, but I was thinking about that for a long time. The crop supports very well a more simplified and thus clearer view. It also lets the color be more dominant. But it subtracts some depth, I think, and that was the reason for me to not crop it that way at the end. (Depth-freak, I guess! ;-))
I attach the cropped image, so perhaps you could tell me what you think about it?
Best wishes,
Nick
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Cropped after Andres' idea |
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 8/27/2007
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Quizás el anarquismo nunca estaba ausente, Marcelo! Quizás estaba siempre aquí pero no notamos? ; -)
Agradece mucho por el comentario agradable,
Nick
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Olga Vareli
{K:22477} 8/27/2007
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so amazing an image, it is so puzzling , one would think it is a dream!You can paint the lights in the sky red for effect if you want.You can also eliminate the car.Still, I like it the way you have just taken it.Hugs, Olga.
:)
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 8/27/2007
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Hi Nick.
Welcome back!
I like this little "sci-fi" series. I can appreciate the way that you have tried to get the most out of the effect by using your exposure to eliminate most of the wires. It seems to have worked quite well. I think the over exposure probably helped to make the rest of the image more surrealistic too. I would have cropped away the grey pavement on this one just to complete the effect.
At first I thought maybe you had colourized the road in Photoshop. But no! I should have known better:):)
You saw a good opportunity and used your photographic skills instead.
Good job!
Andre
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Marcelo Berraz
{K:12906} 8/26/2007
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Se viene el anarquismo y no me avisaron?? es de la gente de ATTAC?. Very nice job my friend!M.
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