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  Photography Forum: Medium Format Photography Forum: 
  Q. Medium Format B&W Film

Asked by Sal Hancock    (K=0) on 9/12/2005 
I've just been given a beautiful medium format camera and so am going to get back to shooting abstract architecture after several years away from the camera and wonder if anyone can give me their thoughts on B&W film that gives strong blacks and good tonal range for this kind of work. Will be shooting using natural light both indoors and out. I used to use Kodak Tri X, is this still as good as it used to be? Anything new on the market people can recommend?


    


dave thursfield
 dave thursfield   (K=514) - Comment Date 9/12/2005
Anything is good in Medium Format, try Ilford Delta 400 it is wonderful! Dave.




Roger Williams
 Roger Williams  Donor  (K=86139) - Comment Date 9/13/2005
If you've been away from photography for a while you may have missed the chromogenic emulsions. Ilford makes an excellent one, XP2 (400 ISO). This has a lovely range of tones, great exposure latitude, and very little grain. You'll get nice solid black shadows if you expose at the rated 400 ISO. For a little more shadow detail, drop it to 320 or even 200. It has the advantage of only requiring standard C41 (colour) processing, which is hard to get wrong. Unlike standard B&W film development, which these days requires special (higher-cost) treatment. Unless you roll your own, of course... What's the camera, Sal? I'm just getting an MF (6 x 6) camera myself, so I'm interested.




Helen Bach
 Helen Bach   (K=2331) - Comment Date 9/13/2005
Sal,

There's a lot of good B&W film around - are you intending to develop it yourself or have a lab do it? As Roger says, the chromogenic films offer an easy way into B&W because of the ease of developing. Ilford XP-2 is probably the better choice if you are going to print on traditional B&W paper. Kodak BW400CN is designed for printing on colour paper - very convenient. They both scan well.

Tri-X has changed a little - slightly lower graininess that it used to have. There's both 400TX and 320TXP available in 120.

There is a lot of choice: Kodak, Ilford, Agfa and Fuji all make good stuff. Other brands are available.

A few films have gone: Kodak Tech Pan is out of production, but stocks are probably still available if you look around. Agfa APX25 has disappeared, but Agfa Scala, an EI 200 reversal film has been around for a while.

Infrared 120 film is available from Maco, if you fancy trying that.

Let us know how you get on with your camera, and tell us what it is! Oh, and welcome to UF.

Best,
Helen





 Sal Hancock   (K=0) - Comment Date 9/13/2005
Thanks all really helpful info. I was given a hasselblad 500c as a birthday gift, its only every been used once and is really nice, 4 lenses and a couple of backs so plenty to get back up and running with. I'll be getting my film developed at the lab so sounds like I'll give the XP2 a try. looking forward to gettting out a shooting again.





 chris autio   (K=92) - Comment Date 9/13/2005
I go back and forth between Ilford and Kodak.
Kodak Tri-x for me is an old stand-by, with full zones expressed. I use Kodak Plus Pro mostly, because I make mural sized prints.

If you're going to try Ilford, I would develop in X-tol. It is simply the best.



And once you find





 Chuck Freeman   (K=13616) - Comment Date 9/14/2005
I still use Tri X a lots in 120 size. But here lately because of Money Tightness, I have been using KODAK pROFESSIONAL TCN 400. About the only place you can get it is Adorama And B&H. It is c41 Process.
But Tri X is still my favorite Film in Real Black and White.





 Chris Goodman   (K=1078) - Comment Date 9/16/2005
It seems that there is a concensus for tri-x. I agree, but in 120 there are 2 kinds of tri-x. There is the normal 400 iso, but there is also a 320 iso. The later is my absolute favorite. The grain is wonderful and the definition is amazing. If you want something slower, I would suggest agfa apx 100, or even slower, ilford pan f.





 David Bjorken   (K=42) - Comment Date 9/19/2005
I almost exclusively use Efke R25 film which have a wonderful tonal range, gives strong blacks and almost no grain. It?s slow, but I almost always use tripod. For indoor use I would use a faster film, but for architectutral photography outdoor in natural light I think it?s perfect. My photo "graffiti work" in my portfolio is taken with this film.
/David





 Louis Borsato   (K=193) - Comment Date 9/26/2005
I use mainly Kodak Tri X,Fuji Acros and Agfapan.All are great films with 120 format.





Helen Bach
 Helen Bach   (K=2331) - Comment Date 9/27/2005
Sad to say, but Agfa have announced that they have stopped manufacturing 120 film.





 n white   (K=-636) - Comment Date 9/29/2005
This discussion about B&W film is a big help to me. I recently bought a Pentax 67 and have been experimenting with both color and B&W, but with B&W I've been choosing only CN film so that my local photo store can process (no darkroom yet). 400 ISO seems essential with my 90mm and 135mm lenses. But I'd like to try some of these suggested 120 films to compare results.

If anyone else is working with a Pentax 67 or 6X7, I'd enjoy comparing notes (challenges and successes). Thanks.




Helen Bach
 Helen Bach   (K=2331) - Comment Date 9/29/2005
Ned,

I don't have a Pentax 67 but I do use 6x7 quite a lot with the Mamiya 7 and Plaubel Makina 67 and W67 rangefinder cameras (there's a W67 snap in my gallery, in the 'Garden Notebooks' portfolio - it's easy to spot because It's the only non-square image). Do you scan all your film, or print traditionally?

Best,
Helen




Helen Bach
 Helen Bach   (K=2331) - Comment Date 9/29/2005
Ned,

'Garden Notebooks #7' is the 6x7 shot.

www.usefilm.com/image/936226.html

I also shoot a lot of B&W 6x7, but haven't uploaded any of those snaps.,

Best,
Helen





 n white   (K=-636) - Comment Date 9/29/2005
Helen -- thanks for the link to your portfolio. Great work! I uploaded my first 6X7 just now (Pasha's Cafe). Still have a few kinks to iron out.

My local Wolf's Camera does my prints (so far, so good), I scan them, then run them through Photo Elements (minimal processing, mostly resizing and optimizing, which I just learned).





 Tony Howell   (K=163) - Comment Date 10/4/2005
My money goes on Fuji Neopan Across 10O. Very fine grain, but as film is cheaper than water I suggest you try a few see what you like.




Leo Régnier  Я£
 Leo Régnier  Я£   (K=67696) - Comment Date 1/19/2006
I think the Ilford is better...




Slavomír Musílek
 Slavomír Musílek   (K=354) - Comment Date 3/1/2006
Yes. Ilford is the-top quality film you can get. Avoid Ilford PAN series, try Delta 100 and 400, HP5+ has wonderful grain and is very good all-around film. Very good tones comes from Agfapan APX100 as well as APX100. Me personally prefers Ilford HP5+ (I love grain) but Kodak TriX 400 and 125PX are on the same level. Just my experiences.





 Grav Weldon   (K=34) - Comment Date 6/14/2006
Blad with four lenses? Nice gift indeed. If you don't mind developing your own film, I like Neopan 400 and Tri-x 320. Tri-x isn't too grainy when shot at EL 200 and developed in fg-7. I like using it for old buildings and such. For as long as it costs less to develop my own, I will stick too these two. However, I hav e had nice results with Kodaks's 400cn. Over expose it a stop or two and you get seriously nice negs. However, at $3 a pop for c-41 development, $25 a term to use the schools chemistry is alot cheaper. I have also had good luck with Bergger 200. However, the film base is a bit flimsy, so it curls upon drying. Takes a good 2 weeks in the sleeves before it stays flat. Hope that helps.

Grav




Willem Wernsen
 Willem Wernsen   (K=393) - Comment Date 7/8/2007
Ilford FP4+ (120) -Tmax 400 (120) Ilford Delta 3200 (120)

Love it;-)))

Willem




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